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Old 30th Oct 2010, 14:27
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I would have thought a much bigger danger would be the tens of thousands of Containers that arrive in out ports every year most of which have been loaded onto ships unchecked off loaded and sent to their destinations without ever being unopened and the contents checked,there are simply to many of them, were I a terrorist I could think of some real nasty tricks to rig up in a cargo container.
Yer reet, TD, do you realise the danger that container of Brussels Sprouts could do?


Thinking about that scares me..............





Note, if Sallyann didn't have reasons 1, 2 and 6 then I would be more serious in this thread
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 14:29
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 14:56
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Yer reet, TD, do you realise the danger that container of Brussels Sprouts could do?
Never mind containers at ports full of sprouts.

The British supermarkets, with branches in other European countries are despatching several trailer loads every day containing sprouts, and they routed via ferries and the Chunnel, throughout the roads of the EU to their stores. I bought some sprouts grown in Lincolnshire just two days ago.

Imagine the carnage if a load of sprouts went off in the Channel Tunnel.
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 15:58
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Note, if Sallyann didn't have reasons 1, 2 and 6 then I would be more serious in this thread
Well they are all theories I have seen floating about in the last 24 hours.

Naturally I thought of JB as the best place to get a reasonable, considered opinion on the matter.
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 16:22
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Well they are all theories I have seen floating about in the last 24 hours.
And it says it all when you think that the UK or US government would have sent some people all the way to Yemen to place 28-30 (possible) explosive devices on CARGO aircraft so they could find them at their own airports in the vain hope they could convince some people that the current security measures for PASSENGERS was somehow relevent to the "plot" (which I know some have lost, going by some of the malebovinefaeces on the internet over this).

Hmmm, maybe I should have set up a company selling tinfoil helmets, I could have been a multi-millionaire by now........
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 16:22
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were I a terrorist I could think of some real nasty tricks to rig up in a cargo container.
hmmm.. imagine a few tonnes of Afghani porn, circa 1976, released onto the public !
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 16:24
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hmmm.. imagine a few tonnes of Afghani porn, circa 1976, released onto the public !

Jeez, the only thing that could be worse than that is an Advocaat and Sprout cocktail........


<shudders>
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 16:29
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A few lone voices have preached for years about the pointlessness of screening passengers and their baggage while leaving the cargo door wide open. We get no joy from saying I told you so.

We also preach about the open door that exists at many maintenance establishments world-wide, and the uselessness of the so-called "security inspection" when aircraft re-enter secure zones after heavy maintenance.
capot, we've also been bleating about the rigmarole that flight crews go through when going to work at airports they operate from regularly, while having id and clearances and being backgrounded, as well having to go though routine proficiency tests for the nature of the while terminal staff wander through, having not been through such tests and screening.

again, its not a position that any of us want to be in, having to say, "i told you so".

but it would seem that those in the positions to know better, don't know better and wont listen to those that have experience, can see the holes and want to prevent such an event occurring to them, or their colleagues.


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Old 30th Oct 2010, 17:01
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It's all about what is now a multi-million $ security industry and protectionism, Bruce
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 17:05
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Bruce the difference between them and us is that they have been elected and wish to continue with their snouts in the trough. Any action - good, bad or indifferent - as long as it is immediate, is applauded by themselves and there is little chance of backtracking as that would lead to loss of face. After all, in their bullet-proof limos and their Air Force One transports they are not likely to be on the receiving end of the terrorist's attentions
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 17:24
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indeed, and there you have the nub of it.

and that is why the lack of trust in the decisions made, those who make the decisions and why 'spiracy theorists thrive...

.. and its the professionals in the industry that have to pick up the pieces, not just from an event that could have been prevented, but also the pushing away of pax from air travel to other modes of transport and the B/S that air crews have to submit to on their way to work.
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 17:49
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After all, in their bullet-proof limos and their Air Force One transports they are not likely to be on the receiving end of the terrorist's attentions
You have to be kidding me.

You really believe that the President of the United States is exempt from a terrorist attack?

As someone else posted, I'm in the wrong business, I need to be in the business of selling tinfoil hats to some of you here.

Of course, there is still no logic in having a sensible debate with people who still refuse to believe that we landed on the moon.

So all of you enjoy your paranoid, conspiracy gab fest. At least it makes for great humor.
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 18:01
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con, i think what Lon was alluding to is the difference between 'commercialized security' and security that is undertaken by professionals who's task is not impeded by political correctness nor budgetary restraint.

.. of course when a country leader, like for example a president, is in a position that a threat is a potential event, there is not the concern as to 'profiling' being a political hot potato or that oh well that's a bit 'expensive' or 'it's not in the budget' to be tossed about and hands wrung.


sod the tinfoil hats.. I'll have a ballistic vest and decoy flares !
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 18:03
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I'll have a ballistic vest
Pah, that's nothing that is, I've ballistic underwear.
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 18:10
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The real conspiracy is why the UPS aircraft thay burst into flames and drashed in the UAE recently was treated as an accident.
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 18:17
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Pah, that's nothing that is, I've ballistic underwear.
does it chafe ?
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 18:20
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The real conspiracy is why the UPS aircraft thay burst into flames and drashed in the UAE recently was treated as an accident.
equally it could have been negligence on the part of a shipper not declaring hazmat.
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 18:27
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That looks less likely now.

Also I see the UK kept quiet so it could all be announced by a President days from the mid-terms.
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Old 30th Oct 2010, 18:29
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Pah, that's nothing that is, I've ballistic underwear.
To protect everyone after you've eaten sprouts?


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Old 30th Oct 2010, 18:33
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To protect everyone after you've eaten sprouts?
Nope, after I have eaten my chilli.
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