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The really really boring and useless الخ и т.д. עטק 等 ฯลฯ thread XVI

Old 6th Nov 2010, 18:11
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Perhaps not at 0300Z in Dortmund flaps!!
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Old 6th Nov 2010, 18:20
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Nigel, that arm does not sound good! Be a good trabbist and do as JSL advises - get it seen to. Now. I bet your son would say the same, if he knew about it.

PS. Please excuse the nagging.
Went hospital, Dr says to give it until Mon morning, obviously if it gets worse to go straight to Blackburn. He thinks the bursa will prolly have to be removed as this is the second time it has happened. At least I will hopefully see my son tomorrow.
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Old 6th Nov 2010, 18:25
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Evening all,

no time for an extensive read-in but noticed somebody doing a bit of vineyard touring at the same time myself was doing same, albeit with some 5,000 nm between us... Brought back approx. 60 bottles to stock up an already well stocked wine cellar. Now must find the time and some peace and quiet to enjoy the stuff!

Nina certainly better than Tippo, in one's humble opinion...
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Old 6th Nov 2010, 18:33
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I think I already mentioned this story, so please forgive me if you are reading it for the second time.
Last year I was teaching a CRM class. I like to start from the beginning of CRM, and explain how, when and why it was born and developed. It helps the beginners to understand the steps who led to this discipline as it is now. Because where the "founders" started is more or less where the layman is now. So, going progressively through each stage together helps them understand the logical developments.
So I started from WWII, to get to the present day.

At the end of the lesson, a Japanese girl went to see me, and very politely explained that for her, as a Japanese national, it was very embarrassing to hear WWII mentioned. "I feel like everybody in the room is looking at me and blaming us Japanese people for the war". She was only informing me, but I understood what she meant and refrained to use "WWII" in my lessons ever since (what I say now is "in the 40ies" or something like that ).
It really took me by surprise because, with all my intercultural training, I would never ever have thought a reference to WWII could be embarrassing for anyone. Err, I'm Italian after all

Believe it or not, but the problem in Italy is more of the opposite, embarrassment wise. Fifteen years of Berlusconism have put to sleep the conscience of too many people and allowed to forget the past by means of daily distortion of historical facts. This morning I had the facebook equivalent of a row with an imbecile who posted that the Partisans of the Resistenza and the Fascists were the same. That both did good and bad things. I asked to point to me the "good" things of Fascism, especially of the Racial Laws and the alliance with the Nazis, but received no answer. I was just asked to agree to disagree
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Old 6th Nov 2010, 18:59
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My response would have been.
"Well you shouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor woman"!!
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Old 6th Nov 2010, 19:04
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I was raised in a society where Communism (ie the USSR and, to a lesser extent, China) were 'the enemy' - yet Hitler (and what he had done) was the ultimate bad man.
Of course, the truth is that some of what they did was undesirable - but neither political extremes represent true evil (apart from their extremes).

Yes, Japan featured in the truly evil group, but was that political or endemic among the population?

I'm not seeking to open a discussion here, merely to record my perception as I grew up . . .
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Old 6th Nov 2010, 19:12
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In my opinion the general population tends to share in the spoils when their country is kicking arses,then are good at saying "it was nowt to do with us it was the leadership" when the arse kicking is reversed, so general populations are not entirely innocent.
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Old 6th Nov 2010, 19:36
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They've gone - now established in their own house again - but they are coming over for tea nevertheless

Lexxy's new house seems a pleasant base for them, around fifty years old, and located in a quiet cul de sac, with views of the hills beyond their neighbours chminey pots, a well set up semi with all that is necessary to take them forward.

I would like to thank the house selling and mortgage lending businesses for absolutely nothing except stress and half truths this last six months, which has concluded with the age old custom of reflecting that "The Lord helps those who help themselves"

We refused the nonsenses, the shared ownerships, the silly short leaseholds and have eventually secured a freehold at an affordable figure that a vendor was minded to sell at.

Onwards and upwards
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Old 6th Nov 2010, 19:42
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If I can do it, surely it wasn´t beyond your Captainly powers of intervention Checkers?

Ahh ... she was at the front of the queue, being asked the question. I was at the back of the queue chuckling... er... waiting to leap in to support her.
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Old 6th Nov 2010, 20:32
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The "ex-Fascist" have been trying for ages to impose the view that Partisans=Communists, so that they could pin on them all the horrors of the Soviet Union. But it is not how it was. Partisans came from very different backgrounds and political faiths, the only thing they had in common is that they were anti-Fascists.
In my opinion the general population tends to share in the spoils when their country is kicking arses,then are good at saying "it was nowt to do with us it was the leadership" when the arse kicking is reversed, so general populations are not entirely innocent.
What's the general population MrD? Despite all the success the Fascists or the Nazis might have had at some point, there was always someone opposing them, sometimes risking their lives.
At the last elections Berlusconi got 34%, the party I voted (Berlusconi opposition) less than 10%. Who is the General population between the two ?


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Old 6th Nov 2010, 21:07
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True there is always resistance Madam Flyblue, few when the war is going well, a lot more when things start to go pear shaped.
I'm a old cynic I know but I believe where military aggression is concerned it is oft undertaken with the whole hearted backing of the population, at the start anyway.
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Old 6th Nov 2010, 21:24
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You were behind the UK - Iraq/Afghan war in 2003 then, Mr D?

BBC NEWS | UK | 'Million' march against Iraq war
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Old 6th Nov 2010, 21:27
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For the first one yes indeed Captain Checkers,but our chaps were not allowed to finish it.
A million marched,fifty nine million didn't.
As I said there is always some resistance.
As I said I am very cynical re these matters,individual humans and smal groups are fine sane and generally altruistic, collectively we are a bunch of mad bastards.

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Old 6th Nov 2010, 23:41
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"Well you shouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor woman"!!
1. November 11, 1940: RN torpedo aircraft clean the clock of the Italian fleet in shallow waters at Taranto Harbour; Hey fellas, here's how to do it!

2. December 7, 1941: Japanese fleet at Pearl Harbor. Thanks!
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Old 7th Nov 2010, 00:03
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Quite an interesting programme on BBC2 about Robert Plant and Led Zep.
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Old 7th Nov 2010, 00:07
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I think we had the decency to declare war first Mr Davaar.
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Old 7th Nov 2010, 01:11
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I agree. But were we invited to send HMS Cossack into Norwegian waters with hostile intent to a neutral vessel?

The more I read of the past the more I conclude that morality is like monopolies: my monopoly or cartel is Good; your monopoly or cartel is Bad.

It was Good for France, the Netherlands and Britain to have empires. It was bad for Germany to want to play catch-up. That is understood, because we are the right sort of chap and they are not.

Then again the USA believed that all empires were Bad .... ummm .... that is, Your empire is bad. But it was Good for the USA to go into the Philippines, Mexico, and Cuba, and Very Good for the Atlantic Charter to be against empires, especially Your empire, but not so Very Bad for the moment if we can have your bases and we pass along our crummy old 4-stackers which you happen to need Right Now.

Later on, but not much later, just you watch!, we shall want all your gold and investments and.....Hee! Hee!.... your empire too. Oh Yes! We have that in our sights!

Very very bad for Japan to want a teeny empire in the Pacific, of course. You lot all stay out of the Pacific and Atlantic, because We want that, and Why? Because the FSL's great uncle President Monroe had a vision back in 1830 or so, and made that not just a vision but a Doctrine. Keep out. It's ours. But that was a Good Doctrine.

Maybe we shall make sure pro tem the Japanese can't get their clammy hooks on oil. They would just waste it anyway.

Chap called Hitler had focused on some of that, but he was a Bad Man, and if he had not already been a Bad Man, that alone would have qualified him.

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Old 7th Nov 2010, 06:01
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Morning all, looks like a stormy spell ahead for the British Isles. Should be interesting overnight tonight locally as the severe gales will coincide with 9.6m Spring tides.
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Old 7th Nov 2010, 07:18
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Morning B1, lovely clear morning here. Log-splitting and woodshed-filling today, I think.
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Old 7th Nov 2010, 08:34
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I am running for a seat in the local municipal council.

However the sunshine is great and it is day of the Patron Saint of the Air Force hence the bases are available for visits and I am off to the local Air Force days.


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