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CCW Laws......To those that don't know...Legally Packing Heat!

Old 5th May 2010, 06:50
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Target competition handguns, (pistols), usually have a bloody great weight under the barrel to counteract the 'jump' when fired.

'Disadvantaged kids' were around during my child hood, no father - killed in the war, very little money available, mother working, food on ration, no 'designer clothes', pocket money had to earned, otherwise none etc.

The only disadvantage today's kids have is not being brought up properly, taught manners and respect, not being required to use their brains but being told endlessly that they have 'rights' - pity no one mentions their responsibilities too and having excuses made for them at every turn by the liberal PC brigade. Really disadvantaged kids live in places like Africa or orphanages in Eastern Europe.
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Old 5th May 2010, 07:13
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Originally Posted by brickhistory View Post
And a third, fourth, fifth, etc, etc...



And that's fine if you like it that way. It's your country, your rules.

This topic is about my country and our rules.

Carry or possess here if you want (legally). Don't if you don't.

Simple.
Brick,

Are you saying that there is no actual need to carry or possess
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Old 5th May 2010, 07:47
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Sorry chaps posted this ont wrong thread,worra plonker.

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Old 5th May 2010, 11:10
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Are you saying that there is no actual need to carry or possess
Nope, I'm saying each American has the individual right to make his or her own assessment and decision.
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Old 5th May 2010, 14:26
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There have always been small arms knocking round the house for protection. But you were shown how to use them in case you had to.
Then it got to speed stripping an automatic just for fun.

However..
A family friend's Dad used to empty the clip of his 9mm into a glass bowl by the bed. So what did the little daughter do, swallow a 9mm round.
Swift trip to hospital followed by many Christmas dinner table retales.
Unfortunately, her Father was later murdered on duty in uniform and didn't get to fire a shot.
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Old 5th May 2010, 23:57
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Bloody Hell Sassy, what are you doing lurking over yonder?

Get back to the vibrating, noisy, bumping, meagrely compensated side of the fence!!

PS: How do I conceal my Browning 12 gauge in a 206?

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Old 6th May 2010, 03:23
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If it were a 500....no problem....she will stand up behind the pilot's collective on that wee shelf thing there.

On the 206....if one were to whittle off half the butt stock....saw off the barrel just in front of the magazine screw....it should slide in right beside the seat. She be a bummer to shoot but by goodness the muzzle flash and noise would be a stunner for anyone looking down the barrel!
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Old 6th May 2010, 03:49
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Having a CCW isn't just about personal defense, it's about the government being responsible to it's citizens, not the other way around. We're losing the battle here in the USA, but methinks some of the good fellows up in DC still have a little respect for the pointy end of our weapons despite what they'd like to do.

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Old 6th May 2010, 05:40
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but by goodness the muzzle flash and noise would be a stunner for anyone looking down the barrel!
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Old 6th May 2010, 10:51
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Lars -unless you are a Philippine citizen it is illegal to carry a firearm - even foreign residents are not permitted.It is also even more illegal to carry a firearm at election time.
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Old 6th May 2010, 11:42
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a couple of years ago in new zealand, aa rather dim witted man tryed to rob a gun shop (with a machete) the end result being the store owner fearing for the safety of himself and his staff, used some of his merchandise on the idiot, poice charged the store owner, judge threw the case out of court,
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Old 6th May 2010, 12:05
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That is very funny, I am still chuckling over that story.
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Old 6th May 2010, 12:33
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Originally Posted by SASless View Post

Got Freedom where you live?
SASless, your question made me look up the gun laws & statistics here in Norway, to check if my impressions were valid before answering.

Impressions were correct.
Acquiring a gun legally is not complicated.
You have to be "a sober individual", be a member of a "shooting team or hunting club", or have a different demonstrable need for owning a gun. You also have to prove that you are properly trained and current.
(semi) Automatics are forbidden to private citizens, and when you carry your gun, you also have to carry your permit.

To decrease the number of family members of gun owners using a gun for spontaneous suicide, the law concerning locked weapon cupboards was changed in 2008, mandating such a cupboard from 1 gun upwards rather than 5 and upwards.

In the North, signs like these are common in public places, creative spelling and all:



Norway is number 54 on the list of gun murder per capita provided by M.Mouse.

Many of our friends (both male and female) own guns. They go hunting in autumn and that is a popular and respectable hobby. Carrying a gun, concealed or otherwise, doesnīt appear to be an issue here.
I never hear people talk about owning a gun for personal protection.

As mentioned by Scooby Donīt, liberal gun laws do not cause a high rate of gun crime in Norway.
In small, sparsely populated, rich, egalitarian, law abiding and pretty socialist Norway, gun crime is almost non-existent.

Looking at M.Mouseīs list again, gross inequality, little hope for a better future, desperation, lack of education, lack of a strong social fabric, lack of dignity & basic facilities for those at the bottom of the scale coupled with easy access to guns seems to be an unhappy mix though.

And nope, thatīs not a dig at the USA. Thereīs no way at all that a country that size can or should be compared to tiny Norway.

So, Yep SASless, got Freedom with a capital F where I live, socialism not withstanding.


My "son in law" and his 3 brothers own, between the four of them and their Dad, a veritable arsenal. They have been known to shoot deer for the kitchen illegally from their bedroom windows (scared the [email protected] out of our daughter first time she was woken up Sunday morning by gunshot), do a lot of target practice for fun, own a gaggle of well trained hunting dogs and they fall in the category known here as "sons of the forest". A bunch of highly educated cavemen-at-heart.
When Obama came to town for his Nobel prize, one of the brothers, involved in the security arrangements, as he was entering town realised he had 3 rifles in the back of his car. Speedy U-turn to drop them off at his Mumīs before he reported for work.
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Old 6th May 2010, 13:02
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We could embark on a discussion of why we in the USA have such a level of gun violence in particular and armed violence in general but that would lead this thread off into a whole different direction.

Responsible and law abiding gun owners are not the problem.

Our government for some reason fails to understand that and continues to target the wrong side when seeking a solution to gun violence.

In my little ol' hometown.....the vast majority of gun violence is committed by two segments of our community and most of the shootings are done by Gang Members, Drug dealers, or with others of their own race, except when they gun down Police Officers then they make no distinction.
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Old 6th May 2010, 13:19
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I agree with what you just wrote SASless. (Now there's a change!!!)

So, if you feel that gun violence is a product of certain segments of our society then how would you deal with getting guns out of their hands, and keeping them in the hands of "law-abiding" and responsible citizens?

There is no easy way, I'm sure.
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Old 6th May 2010, 15:51
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Responsible and law abiding gun owners are not the problem.
Yet they are the ones who get it in the neck every time a government gets twitchy.
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Old 6th May 2010, 16:28
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My CCW History

I used to live in South Africa. Durban in fact. I carried a semi auto pistol CZ83 9mmK (380ACP) for several years before I emigrated to the US. Took me a year after going thru the necessary training before the police finally issued my license. I had a police issued document for about 11 months that stated I had been approved for a license which was acceptable in place of the actual credit card style license until it was finally issued.

Many of my friends also had licenses and we were comparing them one day and I noticed something interesting. The fingerprint stamps on them were all the same! Where we had assumed that our own fingerprints were on our own icenses it turned out not to be the case. It was just a meaningless piece of beaurocracy for effect.

I moved to the US and now live in Phoenix. One of the most violent cities in America. I own about twenty guns now, mostly rifles and have never felt threatened enough to carry a gun though I have thought about getting an Arizona CCW permit. However AZ has just repealed the requirement for a CCW meaning that soon I'll be able to carry anything I like concealed or unconcealed. Still don't see the need for that though.

Some observations on the differences between SA and the Arizona. In SA your license was weapon specific. You had a license for one weapon only and that's what you carried. Also there was no distinction between concealed and unconcealed, if you had a licence you did whatever you wanted with the gun. There were in fact far fewer restrictions on where you could take that gun once you had a licencse than in the US.

In AZ there are numerous restrictions on taking a weapon into places that prohibit them. Such as any place serving alcohol. Any business that posts a sign saying they don't allow guns in the place etc. Although if I ever do carry a concealed pistol I doubt I'll concern myself about that as I don't drink.

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Old 6th May 2010, 18:46
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RGB,

It is not as hard as you imagine.

Effective Police work is a good start.

Enforce the existing laws....especially gun laws.

Get the Cops out of the automobiles....back on foot in the high criime areas...use the existing laws that pertain to "Stop and Frisk" (for you Lefties....there is plenty of legal support for Officers to "pat down" people when they are dealing with them as a means of ensuring there are no offensive weapons being concealed on the person). Use plainclothes teams in high crime areas....do sting operations buying guns, dope, and stolen property. Set up reverse Stings...they work great too. Pose as illegal gun dealers...lock up those that try to buy guns illegally.

Get the Federal Government to prosecute repeat violent offenders under the Federal Gun Laws which add sentences following convictions for State offenses that use guns in their crimes after being convicted of prior Felonies.

Get tough on Gangs.....really tough.

We did it in the late 70's on Motorcycle gangs in our city.....and it worked until the PD turned its interest elsewhere.

I would suggest enforcement is 90% of the cure....do a gun crime of any kind and go to prison for a long time.

It is hard to enjoy the Gang Banger life style with only other Gang Bangers for romantic liasions.
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Old 6th May 2010, 18:56
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Interesting SASless. And what you wrote has an example in the city of New York, using exactly the tactics as you outlined.

As a kid and young adult growing up in NYC I witness the beginning of the decay of that great city. Gangs, crime, infrastructure falling apart, homelessness out the yazoo, etc. NYC, at that time, was a very scary place with some areas almost battlefields. (South Bronx, East New York, Bed-Sty, Harlem)

Slowly but surely that changed. With the biggest change coming under the realm of one Mr. Rudolph Guiliani who really got NYC back in order. Using the police as point one.

To the effect that NYC has been rated one of the safest big cities in the United States. Heck, I feel safer walking around after dark in the South Bronx than I do in the "great" capital city of CT - Hartford. (Where a murder a day keeps the poe-lice away.)
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Old 6th May 2010, 19:03
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Slowly but surely that changed. With the biggest change coming under the realm of one Mr. Rudolph Guiliani who really got NYC back in order. Using the police as point one.

To the effect that NYC has been rated one of the safest big cities in the United States. Heck, I feel safer walking around after dark in the South Bronx than I do in the "great" capital city of CT - Hartford. (Where a murder a day keeps the poe-lice away.)
RG,

You're right about Guiliani. I would also note the crap he took from the liberal left in NYC and elsewhere complaining that his tactics were "meanspirited". He and City stuck to their guns (no pun intended) and the rest is history.

You're also spot-on about Hartford. An evening walk from the downtown microbrewery to that BBQ joint down the street wouldn't be insured by anyone in those office buildings (mostly large insurance company HQ's)
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