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CCW Laws......To those that don't know...Legally Packing Heat!

Old 3rd May 2010, 16:12
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Yes I do. Failing to see your point here. You regard concealed carry of a firearm as easily as carrying a mobile? That IS disturbing.
This is a perfect example of what Matari called "Euro thinking".
 
Old 3rd May 2010, 16:17
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Dushan:

I sincerely doubt I will have a "next government posting" as I am well on my way toward throwing off the shackles of State government employment. Next week I will be sojourning to the great city of New York for a final interview with Reuters America.

It is very probable that I will be offered employment with that fine organization.

Hip-hip-hooray!

(Which also means that my entries within these hallowed threads will become minimal: much to the delight of the RWS!!!!)

SASless: as I posted earlier: a baseball bat, which of course can be used as a weapon, was not manufactured for that purpose. Heck, an ink pen can be used as a weapon for that matter.
Can you imagine if we gave baseball bats to the Chinese, arming all 1 billion of them with baseball bats. They'd take over the world quite easily. Can you imagine 1 billion baseball bat-armed Chinese coming at you?!!!!
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Old 3rd May 2010, 16:29
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This is a perfect example of what Matari called "Euro thinking".
Which you regard as an insult and an Australian may well regard as a compliment.

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I don't believe there should be any right for citizens to carry, or own, firearms
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Then you should be right at home now in the UK, right?
There's a common misapprehension that all firearms are banned in the UK. I own firearms, also I'm legally allowed to shoot on my land or carry them off my land, unloaded, to where I am going to shoot them (neighbour's land etc). Only difference is they have to be smooth-bored and have a barrel length of not less than 24" - in other words shotguns. Not handguns, but would certainly still make a large hole in your head, and probably be more deadly in most non-experts' hands than a handgun. As for concealability, the law forbids sawn-off shotguns, but I legally hold a folding Belgian .410, of a type commonly called a poacher's gun. Easily fits in my Barbour inside pocket, though I'm not about to take it shopping with me!

BTW - GET OFF MY LAND
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Old 3rd May 2010, 16:34
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I cannot understand the fear of "deadly" handguns--80% of the people shot by one survive.

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Old 3rd May 2010, 16:36
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Is that because 80% of handgun owners are crap shots?

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and I tend to lump the UK in the European bucket these days
I'm not from the UK either!
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Anybody lumping me wi Europe is askin for a thump in the lug Captain Checkers.
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Old 3rd May 2010, 19:31
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an Australian may well regard as a compliment.
Which Australian?
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Old 3rd May 2010, 19:55
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Checkboard.

He did give a little clue way back when he mentioned he was in the RAAF briefly and used to live next door to a criminal*. See #37




*as the nation was full of them at one stage it's not that amazing..
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Old 3rd May 2010, 20:09
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...and a stonking big clue in his location.

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Old 3rd May 2010, 20:11
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Quite from CB - If you permit the general population to own and carry handguns, then the law of supply and demand will mean a great many handguns at large in the community - and that community will be a less safe place because of it.

Interesting numbers here -
In some 2001 statistics, it is noted that there are about 420,000 assault rifles stored at private homes, mostly SIG SG 550 types. Additionally, there are some 320,000 assault rifles and military pistols exempted from military service in private possession, all selective-fire weapons having been converted to semi-automatic operation only. In addition, there are several hundred thousand other semi-automatic small arms classified as carbines. The total number of firearms in private homes is estimated minimally at 1.2 million to 3 million

Those stats are from that very unsafe European country Switzerland
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And that is because in Switzerland professional soldiers store their military weapons at home.

Said professionals comprise but 5% of the entire Swiss Army. The rest are comprised of conscripts from the general population. Who also stash their weapons at home.
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Old 3rd May 2010, 22:51
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I am so glad the UK has become such a "safe and happy utopia" after all the bans on guns. It sets an example for the USA to follow.

BBC NEWS | UK | Gun crime feared 'across Britain'

It would also seem Oz sought and achieved a similar result with its 500 Million USD government program requiring the surrender of 650,000 weapons.

Crime up Down Under

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Old 3rd May 2010, 23:27
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I think they all correctly assume that the vast majority of people won't read the executive summary, let alone the full report.
That is exactly what happened with 'Work Choices', the unions and ALP cherry picked and publicised the bits they didn't like and the majority of their supporters went with them, never having even read the first page.
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Old 3rd May 2010, 23:33
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Much the same as parents now fear that a paedophile lurks around every corner. A more realistic statistic would be number of murders involving a firearms:

e.g.

# 1 South Africa: 31,918
# 2 Colombia: 21,898
# 3 Thailand: 20,032
# 4 United States: 9,369
# 5 Philippines: 7,708
# 6 Mexico: 2,606
# 7 Slovakia: 2,356
# 8 El Salvador: 1,441
# 9 Zimbabwe: 598
# 10 Peru: 442
# 11 Germany: 269
# 12 Czech Republic: 181
# 13 Ukraine: 173
# 14 Canada: 144
# 15 Albania: 135
# 16 Costa Rica: 131
# 17 Azerbaijan: 120
# 18 Poland: 111
# 19 Uruguay: 109
# 20 Spain: 97
# 21 Portugal: 90
# 22 Croatia: 76
# 23 Switzerland: 68
# 24 Bulgaria: 63
# 25 Australia: 59
# 26 Sweden: 58
# 27 Bolivia: 52
# 28 Japan: 47
# 29 Slovenia: 39
= 30 Hungary: 38
= 30 Belarus: 38
# 32 Latvia: 28
# 33 Burma: 27
# 34 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 26
# 35 Austria: 25
# 36 Estonia: 21
# 37 Moldova: 20
# 38 Lithuania: 16
= 39 United Kingdom: 14
= 39 Denmark: 14
# 41 Ireland: 12
# 42 New Zealand: 10
# 43 Chile: 9
# 44 Cyprus: 4
# 45 Morocco: 1
= 46 Iceland: 0
= 46 Luxembourg: 0
= 46 Oman: 0

or per capita:

# 1 Colombia: 0.617847 per 1,000 people
# 2 South Africa: 0.496008 per 1,000 people
# 3 Jamaica: 0.324196 per 1,000 people
# 4 Venezuela: 0.316138 per 1,000 people
# 5 Russia: 0.201534 per 1,000 people
# 6 Mexico: 0.130213 per 1,000 people
# 7 Estonia: 0.107277 per 1,000 people
# 8 Latvia: 0.10393 per 1,000 people
# 9 Lithuania: 0.102863 per 1,000 people
# 10 Belarus: 0.0983495 per 1,000 people
# 11 Ukraine: 0.094006 per 1,000 people
# 12 Papua New Guinea: 0.0838593 per 1,000 people
# 13 Kyrgyzstan: 0.0802565 per 1,000 people
# 14 Thailand: 0.0800798 per 1,000 people
# 15 Moldova: 0.0781145 per 1,000 people
# 16 Zimbabwe: 0.0749938 per 1,000 people
# 17 Seychelles: 0.0739025 per 1,000 people
# 18 Zambia: 0.070769 per 1,000 people
# 19 Costa Rica: 0.061006 per 1,000 people
# 20 Poland: 0.0562789 per 1,000 people
# 21 Georgia: 0.0511011 per 1,000 people
# 22 Uruguay: 0.045082 per 1,000 people
# 23 Bulgaria: 0.0445638 per 1,000 people
# 24 United States: 0.042802 per 1,000 people
# 25 Armenia: 0.0425746 per 1,000 people
# 26 India: 0.0344083 per 1,000 people
# 27 Yemen: 0.0336276 per 1,000 people
# 28 Dominica: 0.0289733 per 1,000 people
# 29 Azerbaijan: 0.0285642 per 1,000 people
# 30 Finland: 0.0283362 per 1,000 people
# 31 Slovakia: 0.0263303 per 1,000 people
# 32 Romania: 0.0250784 per 1,000 people
# 33 Portugal: 0.0233769 per 1,000 people
# 34 Malaysia: 0.0230034 per 1,000 people
# 35 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of: 0.0229829 per 1,000 people
# 36 Mauritius: 0.021121 per 1,000 people
# 37 Hungary: 0.0204857 per 1,000 people
# 38 Korea, South: 0.0196336 per 1,000 people
# 39 Slovenia: 0.0179015 per 1,000 people
# 40 France: 0.0173272 per 1,000 people
# 41 Czech Republic: 0.0169905 per 1,000 people
# 42 Iceland: 0.0168499 per 1,000 people
# 43 Australia: 0.0150324 per 1,000 people
# 44 Canada: 0.0149063 per 1,000 people
# 45 Chile: 0.014705 per 1,000 people
# 46 United Kingdom: 0.0140633 per 1,000 people
# 47 Italy: 0.0128393 per 1,000 people
# 48 Spain: 0.0122456 per 1,000 people
# 49 Germany: 0.0116461 per 1,000 people
# 50 Tunisia: 0.0112159 per 1,000 people
# 51 Netherlands: 0.0111538 per 1,000 people
# 52 New Zealand: 0.0111524 per 1,000 people
# 53 Denmark: 0.0106775 per 1,000 people
# 54 Norway: 0.0106684 per 1,000 people
# 55 Ireland: 0.00946215 per 1,000 people
# 56 Switzerland: 0.00921351 per 1,000 people
# 57 Indonesia: 0.00910842 per 1,000 people
# 58 Greece: 0.0075928 per 1,000 people
# 59 Hong Kong: 0.00550804 per 1,000 people
# 60 Japan: 0.00499933 per 1,000 people
# 61 Saudi Arabia: 0.00397456 per 1,000 people
# 62 Qatar: 0.00115868 per 1,000 people


But hey, it is a small price to pay for freedom.

Statistics found here.
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Old 3rd May 2010, 23:33
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Can any of our cousins on the "sceptered isle" explain that BBC report, considering the UK has gun control laws far beyond the USA. Could it just be that the laws restricting guns are useless and it would be better to have armed law-abiding citizens?

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Old 3rd May 2010, 23:54
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Open carry has been illegal in the UK for decades, if not centuries. Hand guns were completely banned, as a knee-jerk after the Dunblane massacre. This did nothing to counteract illegally held handguns; just stopped previously law-abiding subjects who used handguns for sports shooting. Thomas Hamilton was a member of a gun club so therefore all handguns were banned rather than a more sensible licensing restriction.

Firearms, per se, are not illegal in the UK but the licencing requirement are more stringent than in the UK and more stringent now than when I held a licence.

However, the news article cites fear of gun and knife crime rather than actual statistics. I would put the blame of that largely at the feet of a scaremongering news media.

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