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Old 15th Apr 2010, 21:44
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TV debate

I think Clegg won that round, but he had nothing to lose anyway.

Brown did his best to get Clegg to team up against Cameron and spent the rest of the debate looking for his 'dividing lines' and cocking things up: 'no unskilled worker can come here from outside Britain' - if you don't include the rest of the EU and repeated the 'Immigration has gone down' mantra which was discredited months ago.

Cameron? must try harder, IMHO.


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Old 15th Apr 2010, 22:24
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I think Clegg won that round, but he had nothing to lose anyway.
Quite. Who amongst us will pipe up and and say 'I remember those Whigs, things were awful under them'? And he's such a nice young man, and not at all posh like iDave.

To be fair, if the DimLibs had stuck to the mantra of no tax on the first 10K and abandoned the rest of their Monster Raving Loony Party manifesto, they'd have stood a fair chance.

I despair that politics has become here some sort of vapid popularity contest, and look forward to Jordan becoming PM soon.

Thinking carefully about it, things could only get better. She wouldn't be stupid enough to sell gold when it's bottoming out.

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Old 15th Apr 2010, 22:25
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If Cameron won it will be announced as, "Too close to call" and if it was too close to call it will be described as, "A Labour landslide!".

(Had similar here recently in Oz, Rudd v. Abbott).
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Old 15th Apr 2010, 22:32
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Brown was to one side because he's blind in one eye - personally I'd have put him on the other side
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Old 15th Apr 2010, 22:49
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The mass media in Australia are run out of Pyongyang.

When I was growing up, my mother warned me off the Sydney Telegraph and the Sun - 'people like us read the Herald'.

Thanks, Mum. Now I'm a gay metrosexual public servant. [0]

It used to really p!ss me off that there wasn't an alternative, although The Australian had the most fantastic bumper sticker in the 1970s - 'Taxation is theft'. O tempores O mores.

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Old 16th Apr 2010, 06:55
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For me, the most interesting part of the debate was when it was over. The three candidates shook hands then Brown descended from the podium to shake hands with the audience. Clegg was about to follow when Cameron called him back and the two of them stood on the podium side by side, chatting, while Brown was alone on the floor. If we get a hung parliament, who will Clegg be standing alongside?
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 07:08
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Didnt watch it. Would rather read the transcript.

There is absolutely nothing New Labour/Old Labour can promise with a clear history of lies, deceit, perveted statistics, whitewash inquiries and u-turns on pre-election pledges.

Every promise, pledge and manifesto has been deceit so is there any historical basis to actually believe anything from NL?

They may as well just answer 'blah, blah, blah' to everything for all its worth.

Besides, it not worh watching if Cameron and Clegg didnt have the opportunity to set on Brown with a flick knife and can of petrol.

now that would have been a debate
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 08:59
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Cameron had an open goal - and he missed.

Clegg was the only one that seemed to come across as reasonable but when put next to the other two, that was not a difficult task. I really can't see any of the three main parties being worthwhile.

Revolution next Tuesday anyone?
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 10:15
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I think a lot of the reaction has to be seen in the context of expectations. Cameron was expected to do well, but only did OK. Hence he didn't do very well (if you follow my logic). Brown wasn't expected to do well, and didn't do particularly well. Hence he performed OK.

In a way, without taking anything away from Nick Clegg, he had the easiest job. He didn't have a record to defend, like Brown, or an opinion poll lead to defend like Cameron. He didn't need to be defensive, and could credibly put the Lib Dems forward as a fresh and exciting alternative. He was very much helped, I think, by Brown and Cameron locking horns with eachother which left him unscathed while helping to re-inforce his message of being genuinely different. What was the remark? The more those two disagree with eachother, the more they sound the same?

At the end of the day, no one landed a knockout blow.
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 11:24
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I saw a few bits of the debate repeated on TV. I am not being partisan, but I cant help thinking Cameron looked like a Thunderbird puppet. Who ever did his make up really messed up



Who was pulling his strings?
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 11:33
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In a way, without taking anything away from Nick Clegg, he had the easiest job. He didn't have a record to defend, like Brown, or an opinion poll lead to defend like Cameron. He didn't need to be defensive, and could credibly put the Lib Dems forward as a fresh and exciting alternative. He was very much helped, I think, by Brown and Cameron locking horns with eachother which left him unscathed while helping to re-inforce his message of being genuinely different. What was the remark? The more those two disagree with eachother, the more they sound the same?

At the end of the day, no one landed a knockout blow.
That's a vaery fair considerations Andy S..

.. If Cameron or Clegg had chinned Brown and knocked him out that would have been a bonus ..

... if they had shivved him and gave him a good kicking when he was down even better.
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 11:38
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What will be the lasting memory of this Labour Government?

What will be the lasting memory of this Labour Government?

All I can think of is that the name "Mandy" which used to be a female name, has now become a male name.

Anything else memorable?
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 11:54
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What will be the lasting memory of this Labour Government?
- Debt
- Un-sustainable population levels
- Debt
- Sub class that sees welfare as an alternative lifestyle rather than a safety net
- Debt
- Un-Economic PFI deals, with decades left to run
- Debt
- A Future population with poor education levels
- Debt
- A weakened and underfunded armed services
- Debt
- Top heavy management in public employment sectors
- Debt
- Future professional staffing problems in the NHS
- Debt
- Loss of decomcratic self governance to the EU (No Referendum)
- Debt

anything else ?
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 12:03
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Didn't watch it, but from sundry comment it seems the response might well be the old saying

'Fine words don't butter no parsnips'.

Whatever the hell that means.
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 12:08
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At the end of the day, no one landed a knockout blow.
Depends what result you were looking for...

Torygraph: General Election 2010: Liberal Democrats surge after Nick Clegg's TV debate performance

The Liberal Democrats have overtaken Labour in a new poll after enjoying a 14 per cent surge on the back of Nick Clegg's performance in last night's TV election debate.
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 14:22
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Sky News is doing something I haven't seen before - not that I watch a lot of politics on the telly. They have Gordon Brown miked up as he works the Tesco in Hastings, so they're catching everything said by him and those he speaks to. It takes a bit of patience to be a politician, I suppose - I'd soon get really tired of saying "isn't this a big store?" and "how old are you, then?" ..

So, who's placing bets on Cleggy for PM?
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 16:27
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who's placing bets on Cleggy for PM?
Statistically impossible, I believe . . .
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 17:15
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That the news is reporting people became aware of Clegg last night, implying they didn't know who he was before tells us two things:

We have the politicians we deserve & if the electorate is this thick, we're f****ed.
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 17:25
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Interesting to hear senior Labour people 'praising' Nick Clegg . . .

If they can divert would-be Tory voters to Lib-Dem then the chances of a Lib-Lab coalition increase (IMO).

Lib-Lab pact - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 16th Apr 2010, 21:41
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what will be the lasting memory of this labour government?
its got to be the spin and deciet
the iraq affair
the strange death of dr david kelly
that mandlecreep thing
blair
his hideous wife
the one eyed scottish wonder
the albino chancellor




and the enormous crippleing debt



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