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Old 26th Sep 2018, 11:15
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Jeremy Vine has been discussing Corbyn's speech on greed.

That would be, Jeremy "£700,000 per annum from the taxpayer" Vine.

Irony with reheat!
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 11:34
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Ms Smith, the MP for Crewe and Nantwich, was speaking at the Momentum-organised The World Transformed event in Liverpool, which runs alongside Labour's conference.

"Today we've heard calls for a true people's vote. A general election," she said.

"Comrades, we must topple this cruel and callous Tory government as soon as we can. And if we can't get a general election, we should organise with our brothers and sisters in the trade unions to bring an end to this government with a general strike."

Whilst we may have one of he most inept Governments in history, this could well be the future. Those stupid people who would vote for these morons in to power need to think carefully about whether changes brought in under Labour could ever be reversed.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 12:21
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Originally Posted by The Nip View Post
"Comrades, we must topple this cruel and callous Tory government as soon as we can. And if we can't get a general election, we should organise with our brothers and sisters in the trade unions to bring an end to this government with a general strike."
It’s all very well calling for a General Strike, but getting anyone to actually participate is something else altogether. I seem to recall the TUC calling a General Strike in the 1980’s and being largely ignored. Perhaps someone should explain to Ms Smith that this is 2018 and the days when the Trade Unions could issue instructions to their members and expect to be obeyed are long gone.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 12:56
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
It’s all very well calling for a General Strike, but getting anyone to actually participate is something else altogether. I seem to recall the TUC calling a General Strike in the 1980’s and being largely ignored. Perhaps someone should explain to Ms Smith that this is 2018 and the days when the Trade Unions could issue instructions to their members and expect to be obeyed are long gone.
Try not to have too seminal a moment, but, the T.U Act that came into force last March actually makes holding any form of strike now very difficult. This in keeping with the Tory mantra of "control by legislation " so it's unlikely to happen, plus, more ecstatic joy, once "that event " happens next year, there have already been calls for the repeal of workers rights ......this conveniently covers all workers and sectors so even if you are not in a T.U and you suddenly find all your "T's n C's " have been changed, and not in your favour, then that's just jolly bad luck because the legislation which once helped protect you won't be there any more.....

" Comrades, we must topple this cruel and callous Tory government as soon as we can. And if we can't get a general election, we should organise with our brothers and sisters in the trade unions to bring an end to this government with a general strike."

Whilst we may have one of he most inept Governments in history, this could well be the future. Those stupid people who would vote for these morons in to power need to think carefully about whether changes brought in under Labour could ever be reversed
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Had you experienced any other form of "management " other than the Air Force Act and QR's which don't generally allow for dissent at " managements " incompetence and arrogance, you may be interested to learn that civilians have this option and, as a last resort, will use it.

True, the proposal is a bit extreme, and unlikely to gain any momentum, ( too dry for many I know ) but cast your mind back to the fuel tankers strike ostensibly about their pay and conditions and which brought the UK to an undignified grinding halt almost literally...it then transpired this strike was actually motivated with the intent of bringing down a Labour Gov't.

Presumably that intent met with your wholehearted approval.

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Old 27th Sep 2018, 20:59
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Further proof of Labour anti-Semitism.

George McManus, who was suspended fom the party in August for calling Tom Watson Judas and saying he had been corrupted by Jewish donors, has been quietly readmitted to the party.

They're not even trying to hide it now.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 08:08
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Corbyn, the EU and the economy summed up in one video clip......


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Old 28th Sep 2018, 08:36
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Rod Liddle on Corbyn’s Labour on BBC Question Time.

https://order-order.com/2018/09/28/r...question-time/
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 11:08
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Good old Grauniad - missing the point that Corbyn is a total Brexiteer and will take any excuse to stop a deal regardless.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...orbyn-tells-eu

Corbyn talks with EU Brexit officials spark fresh no-deal fears


Jeremy Corbyn has sparked fresh fears in Brussels of a no-deal Brexit after saying during talks with senior EU Brexit officials that he will vote down anything that fails to deliver the same benefits as membership of the single market and customs union.

The Labour leader spent two hours with Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief negotiator, and Martin Selmayr, the most senior official in charge of planning for a cliff-edge Brexit. Emerging from the European commission headquarters, Corbyn said Barnier “was interested to know what our views are in the six tests”, referring to the criteria Labour has said must be met to ensure its MPs back a deal.

The EU is increasingly concerned that the UK parliament will vote down any deal put forward by Theresa May. One of Labour’s tests is that an agreement must offer the “exact same benefits” as membership of the single market and customs union.......

After meeting Barnier and Selmayr, who is the secretary general of the European commission and in charge of no-deal planning, Corbyn insisted he was “not negotiating” but that there was an informal agreement that both sides would continue to talk. “We’ve set out the views of the Labour party on issues surrounding Brexit following the conference speeches made by both [the shadow Brexit secretary] Keir Starmer and myself,” he said. “We’re obviously not negotiating, we’re not in government, we’re the opposition, but he was interested to know what our views are and the six tests that we’ve laid down by which we will hold the British government to account in future.”.........
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 13:17
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What a state we are in-a meek PM and an opposition leader who is denigrated at every turn because he says very rich people should pay more tax and people who work in companies should have more say in the way they are run.

May should call Boris out and just say-the man is an idiot and list his well known failings and avaricious attempts to become PM even if it is PM of medieval England. The man has a record of ineptness and duplicity and she may as well throw that in his face. If that doesnt work hoof it down to the palace and call a general election which can be fought over real issues. Whats even more daft that he has 'supporters' which rather shows up the level of integrity and intelligence in the Tory party. Just why is Corbyn vilified so much on Prune, I know people question his economic policies but the same kind of economic forecasts on brexit were derided -its the same kind of people doing the forecasting.

What on earth will the Mail and Express do in the future when they cannot blame the EU for everything.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 14:10
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FCO kept truth about EU from British for 30 years.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 14:44
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
What on earth will the Mail and Express do in the future when they cannot blame the EU for everything.
They will still blame the EU, regardless. Perhaps it will be their fault that they wouldn't give us the trade deal we wanted, or somesuch.
Quite how it will be the EU's fault that the NHS didn't get the £350 million I don't know yet, but they will find a way.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 14:50
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Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
....an opposition leader who is denigrated at every turn because he says very rich people should pay more tax and people who work in companies should have more say in the way they are run.
Maybe because it’s the thin end of the wedge?

Corbyn isn’t a centrist Social Democrat who wants to balance economic efficiency with social justice. He’s a hard left revolutionary who wants to overturn the system. What you describe may be reasonable under, say, a Blair or Brown government; they may have had Red rosettes, but they were fundamentally pro-business and had no problem with wealth generation. Corbyn would go much further. He’s shrewd enough to dress his intentions up in language which won’t keep you awake at night, but do you really think he’ll stop at slapping taxes on just the richest 1-2%, or putting a notional employee representative on company boards?
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 14:51
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An 'anonymous mandarin' wrote a paper that suits a Brexit tabloid's editorial policy. How exciting.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 16:29
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Corbyn is a total Brexiteer and will take any excuse to stop a deal regardless
Either one or the other! Why would a 'total Brexiteer' 'take any excuse to stop a deal regardless'? And re Mr. Lidlle; now there's a paragon of virtue! Anti-Semitic, anti-Islam, anti-Immigrant, anti-Black and a beater of a pregnant wife to boot!
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a Blair or Brown government; they may have had Red rosettes, but they were fundamentally
. Allow me to correct that for you:
a Blair or Brown government; they may have had Red rosettes, but they were fundamentally Tory
If you really believe Corbyn's whole aim is total anarchy, you must have some sleepless nights. I will agree with you though that he is not a centrist Social Democrat. However, Corbyn is very similar to May in so far as their leadership qualities go. I think I may have seen signs that Corbyn's poor leadership qualities may be showing a glimmer of improvement. On the other hand, May's seem to be wilting.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 16:51
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"...slapping taxes on just the richest 1-2%, or putting a notional employee representative on company boards? "

Might not be such a bad idea if he's stop at that...

But we don't need another Steve Bannon in the UK.

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Old 28th Sep 2018, 16:59
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
They will still blame the EU, regardless. Perhaps it will be their fault that they wouldn't give us the trade deal we wanted, or somesuch.
Quite how it will be the EU's fault that the NHS didn't get the £350 million I don't know yet, but they will find a way.

C'mon....

The cheerleaders for the UK remaining in the EU ( Cameron and Osborne ) threatened 800,000 additional unemployed if the UK left the EU.

Two years later, there are now 450,000 more people in employment than in 2016.

They ALL told lies, they're politicians - but at least take your blinkers off.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 17:45
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Orac: Either one or the other! Why would a 'total Brexiteer' 'take any excuse to stop a deal regardless'?
Corbyn's essential bottom line is the ending of (outgoing) freedom of movement. He might be worried that a deal could retain this, so "no deal" is safer to aim for.
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 18:43
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
C'mon....

The cheerleaders for the UK remaining in the EU ( Cameron and Osborne ) threatened 800,000 additional unemployed if the UK left the EU.

Two years later, there are now 450,000 more people in employment than in 2016.

They ALL told lies, they're politicians - but at least take your blinkers off.
You do know we haven’t left yet?
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Old 28th Sep 2018, 19:55
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Originally Posted by Curious Pax View Post


You do know we haven’t left yet?

Yawn............
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Old 29th Sep 2018, 04:24
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This may be a little prescient, given this weekend's gathering of the antithesis of "Britain's got Talent " taking place in Birmingham, but, as it's quite possibly Treeza's last performance at the lectern to her adoring followers....if any can be found.....then with her newly emerged talent for dancing, what better way to depart than with her and Boris doing a reprise......

Of course, we may be surprised when she suddenly explains in detail how " the plans " are going and how misinformed the media have been all along with the roseate coloured future now a certainty thanks to the hitherto unknown unstinting efforts on our behalf......


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