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Old 24th Sep 2018, 10:26
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I'll be giving the news a miss this week. What happens at the Labour conference is of great interest inside their party but of little relevance outside.
If they get into power it won't be because they have won the next election but because the Tories have lost it.
I would suggest this may not be entirely realistic, your first sentence that is, because whilst Labour are not currently in Gov't, as you say, the Tories are, thankfully, doing their level best to ensure this will happen sooner rather than later.

Barring any other crisis on top of Brexit, I see the present government staggering on until 2022. Turkeys don’t vote for Xmas"

It's only a few months now until March 2019, plus the as yet undecided form of inglorious exit to be spun to the nation as triumph and template for the UK's decline, so another crisis is a fair bet. True about the last bit however.......unless you vote UKIP that is.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 11:27
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
Don't often agree with KnC but absolutely spot on this time.

Maybe some legislation that the total payments to the full Board of Directors ( salaries, bonus, pensions, stock options, non-exec fees, extras, etc ) must not exceed a stipulated percentage of pre-tax profits,

Same should apply to State owned companies.

I think it's the only way to stop what is the unacceptable divide between ' ordinary ' employees' salaries and those of the Directors that is too common and too much these days.
In Germany, workers' representatives do have the right to seats on the company board. Could that be one reason why German industry is so successful?
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 12:46
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
In Germany, workers' representatives do have the right to seats on the company board. Could that be one reason why German industry is so successful?
Perhaps....But the few I know / have met I wouldn't expect to be able to contribute much to a successful company's success. Think of them more as non-aggressive, passive Shop Stewards.

And don't forget, German industry is heavily unionised which I think has been more of a contribution to Germany's economic dominance - and certainly to the ' wealth ' of most Germans compared to the rest of Europe.

Having said that, the unions are quire realistic and largely unpolitical - totally unlike the idiotic unions we have here.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 13:58
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Not quite, ORAC: Labour will do their utmost to block ANY deal, good or bad. By their own admission they just want to force another election.


But they can’t block No Deal.

They may be able to defeat the government should any Brexit agreement reach parliament, but if they do then No Deal simply becomes the default. We leave the EU without a deal, the Tories continue to govern as a minority government.The only way there will be an early election is if a) Theresa May calls one, or b) the government loses a vote of no confidence. She may be wary about the first option, and in all honesty the Conservatives are far more likely to force May out than vote against their own government.

So Labour can huff and puff but it’s probably not going to get them anywhere in the short term.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 15:34
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Warning,: aviation content.....well ok, not actually flying content.


"this flight is delayed due to operational reasons " which we have all heard at some point......however, most aren't delayed due to the incompetence of the UK's very own Gov't. .....

So, time to start checking the Eurostar, coach and ferry schedules then......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...no-deal-brexit
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To those who say (see above) that the idea of giving workers shares in their employer's company, explain this: One of those supporting the idea is Philip Hammond. No, not the comedian/doctor but the Tory Chancellor.
Re the idea of possible limits on payouts etc to board members, I heard Jon McDonnell saying something this morning along the lines of an upper limit on the ratio of payments to the highest paid and the lowest. I think the figure he mentioned was something like 72:1.
Another thing mentioned by McDonnell was the idea of the UK becoming a "shareholding nation". He was of course quoting another Tory, Thatcher. So, all you Tories, it was/is a Tory idea. What now is the nature of your complaint? Plagiarism/Copyright theft?
earlier posters that there seems to be a idea that Labour will go for a new Brexit referendum. No they won't. Unless there is a very clear majority of voters who want one. Again quoting McDonnell this morning, he wants to see a general election when Mrs. May's current plan for chaos hits the buffers. I think I might just put some money on that, although I am not normally a gambling man. He also said if all else fails, Labour would support a campaign for a 2nd referendum. That's as close as he got promising another referendum.

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Old 24th Sep 2018, 16:25
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Warning,: aviation content.....well ok, not actually flying content.


"this flight is delayed due to operational reasons " which we have all heard at some point......however, most aren't delayed due to the incompetence of the UK's very own Gov't. .....

So, time to start checking the Eurostar, coach and ferry schedules then......

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...no-deal-brexit
But it was only that week that the same Guardian told us Eurostar trains 'may be stopped' by the French so I wouldn't count on that being an option.

And in June the same Guardian warned us of 17 mile queues at Dover so bus and ferry may not be an option too.





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Old 24th Sep 2018, 17:04
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But it was only that week that the same Guardian told us Eurostar trains 'may be stopped' by the French so I wouldn't count on that being an option.

And in June the same Guardian warned us of 17 mile queues at Dover so bus and ferry may not be an option too.





Well all those stay at home tourists will boost the UK economy then..... now won't they.

Of course, it may all get a shade more complex and problematic for those involved in , what shall we call it ?..trade and business perhaps ?
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 19:52
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
Having said that, the unions are quire realistic and largely unpolitical - totally unlike the idiotic unions we have here.
We have some perfectly sensible unions in the UK. Some employers effectively outsource parts of the HR function to the union, and pay them for it, result: everybody happy.

But - guess what! - these don't get into the news.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 21:37
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Well all those stay at home tourists will boost the UK economy then..... now won't they.
Creating lots more low paid jobs in hotels and restaurants, positions to be filled by....?
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 21:55
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Looks like she's eaten a few though.
Far, far, far more importantly: Would any self-respecting Tory EVER have kissed her???!!!!! (Or any self-respecting LibDum, ScotNazi, PlaidComedy, or even any Liabour party member?)
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 22:14
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Breaking News - John McDonnell has just said that if they don't get a General Election they will campaign for a second referendum.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 22:26
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
We have some perfectly sensible unions in the UK. Some employers effectively outsource parts of the HR function to the union, and pay them for it, result: everybody happy.

But - guess what! - these don't get into the news.

Not convinced that's always a great idea.

We have an Italian supplier who has and does something similar - they have an agreement that they take on temporary staff from a / the union's ' in-house ' employment agency instead of from companies like Blue Arrow or Ranstad.

Last year I was talking to the CEO about this arrangement. He said that he's sure that they don't get the best people for the job - or in other words, they get the ' best connected ' people rather than the most suitable.

Then again, it is Italy.
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Old 25th Sep 2018, 05:14
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Creating lots more low paid jobs in hotels and restaurants, positions to be filled by....?
That's easy. The Gov't have a cunning plan to ensure all such vacancies are staffed by PhD level applicants only....no problems with recruiting such are envisaged plus any shortfall will be made up from the hordes of British applicants camping out to be first in the ( select occupation and location as applicable ) queue for these positions !

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...lls-and-wealth




And for those who are convinced the Guardian is never critical of a Labour Gov't ( pending )......

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...d-vote-cartoon

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Old 25th Sep 2018, 07:26
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 06:06
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Another pearl of Treeza's wisdom then.....although this should have read "not in my interest to hold a GE "....but note the political ambiguity here about after a certain month next year.

Meanwhile, we are all going to be rich !.......the ever generous Tories are going to cut taxes...quite which isn't really evident apart from business rates but the little matter of how to make up any shortfall in tax revenue will doubtless be slipped in on a one line paragraph at the forthcoming Mad Hatters Tea Party when Treeza makes her final bow to an appreciative audience clapping in what constitutes Tory unity.....Labour have a slight edge here though. .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45647061

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-45647569
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 06:19
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Jeremy Corbyn, in his speech to the Labour Women's Conference said:
Through an understanding of history we can prevent the evils of tomorrow.'
That's very ironic coming from a man who is a died in the red wool Marxist, one to boot who doesn't think British Zionists have a sense of British irony.
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 06:25
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 06:42
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https://order-order.com/2018/09/25/c...shed-new-poll/

A new poll by BMG Research for Huffington Post has found that just 16% of Brits favour remaining in the EU when presented with all the options. Even among those who voted Remain in 2016, just 32% support remaining today.

A Canada-style deal was the most popular of all the options with 22% of the country supporting it, ahead of No Deal in second place. Chequers was as unpopular as the Norway option, with both languishing on 11%.

After ERG Vice Chair Mark Francois confirmed that the ERG intended to vote against Chequers no matter what, this is a further sign that a pivot to a Canada-style deal may be May’s most politically viable option. Her comments today that a Canada-style deal would be worse than no deal will not be going down well with her backbenchers…

UPDATE: With the don’t know’s excluded, it becomes even more clear that most people want a clean break.

BMG Brexit poll (don’t knows excluded):
Canada style 28%
Leaving on WTO 24%
Staying in the EU 20%
Chequers 14%
Norway-Style 13%
A clear majority for Canada+++ or WTO terms.
It’s time to #ChuckChequers
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Old 26th Sep 2018, 09:47
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I was watching the BBC Parliament Channel yesterday, The Labour Party Conference.

Of course, nothing to do with me but the first time I was aware that 50% of the votes are not party members but ' affiliates '

Delegates to the conference are elected by Constituency Labour Parties, affiliated trade unions and socialist societies. Currently, affiliated trade unions hold 50% of the votes at the conference – down from 80% in the era before Tony Blair. Some 40% of the votes are wielded by the three largest trade unions (Unite, GMB, UNISON)

I suppose it's their party, their conference, etc, but as the unions are the Labour Party's biggest donors, I'm wondering if the same arrangements would be acceptable if the Conservative Party conference had ' official delegates ' and those ' delegates ' made speeches, and officially had 50% input into official Conservative Policy on behalf of Hedge Funds, Construction Industry companies, Defence Industry companies. etc.
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