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Old 19th Sep 2018, 07:19
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Many developing world countries depend on emigration with emigrants sending money back home. It used to be the case that Ghana depended on immigrants in Denmark sending money home.

Similarly Filipinos work abroad to support family back home. Cruise ship crews work long hours for months for greater rewards than at home.

In India I saw Filipino nurses as pay and conditions were better. OTOH at a teaching hospital I saw new Indian doctors who all hoped to go to UK when they graduated. I met other doctors who having built up savings in UK had returned to India.

How my hospital care my principal surgeon was India as was the follow up consultant. The latter was on the point of returning to India. His replacement was a Croat.

Immigration is not necessarily one way or permanent.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 09:29
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"Tory hypocrisy...where the money will come from.."? Seriously, this from a Corbyn cheerleader? Time and again the Tories have had to fix the financial mess and pay the unpaid bills of the previous Labour administration. Corbyn promises more of the same but on steroids!
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 11:11
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Is it racist...

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Many developing world countries depend on emigration with emigrants sending money back home. It used to be the case that Ghana depended on immigrants in Denmark sending money home.

Similarly Filipinos work abroad to support family back home. Cruise ship crews work long hours for months for greater rewards than at home.

In India I saw Filipino nurses as pay and conditions were better. OTOH at a teaching hospital I saw new Indian doctors who all hoped to go to UK when they graduated. I met other doctors who having built up savings in UK had returned to India.

How my hospital care my principal surgeon was India as was the follow up consultant. The latter was on the point of returning to India. His replacement was a Croat.

Immigration is not necessarily one way or permanent.
Is it racist to express the view that it is an absolute scandal that the UK cannot staff its own hospitals and clinics with home grown talent? I have held this view for many years. Can anyone demonstrate that the reason is 'insufficient suitable candidates'? 'Cos at the mo, I don't believe that's the case. Many kids with 4 appropriate a levels can't get a place.

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Old 19th Sep 2018, 11:11
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Is it racist...

Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Many developing world countries depend on emigration with emigrants sending money back home. It used to be the case that Ghana depended on immigrants in Denmark sending money home.

Similarly Filipinos work abroad to support family back home. Cruise ship crews work long hours for months for greater rewards than at home.

In India I saw Filipino nurses as pay and conditions were better. OTOH at a teaching hospital I saw new Indian doctors who all hoped to go to UK when they graduated. I met other doctors who having built up savings in UK had returned to India.

How my hospital care my principal surgeon was India as was the follow up consultant. The latter was on the point of returning to India. His replacement was a Croat.

Immigration is not necessarily one way or permanent.
Is it racist to express the view that it is an absolute scandal that the UK cannot staff its own hospitals and clinics with home grown talent? I have held this view for many years. Can anyone demonstrate that the reason is 'insufficient suitable candidates'? 'Cos at the mo, I don't believe that's the case. Many kids with 4 appropriate a levels can't get a place.

CG
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 12:28
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charliegolf: Is it possible that a lot of ear bashing in recent years, imploring the younger generation about the dangers of getting into debt have had an effect? Over recent years, there has been a swing away from traditional nurse training with the old 2 tier system. My sister trained as an SEN, while my mother later trained as an SRN. Neither of them had levels of either the 'O' or 'A' variety, yet both were successful. Now, with the careful manipulation of the system to force nurses to become dergreed graduates, there has followed the "Oh yes, and you will need to get your degree at a cost of £some thousands. What! No money just now? That's OK, we can organise a loan". I wonder how many bright candidates have shied away from the idea of starting out life with a huge debt burden around their necks?
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 12:30
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Speaking of Indian doctors; my brother recently had an operation to fix a hernia. He was telling me about the surgeon who appeared to be Indian. Then, after going on to tell me how the surgeon had webbed fingers, we decided perhaps he wasn't Indian and was perhaps a native of Norfolk!
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 12:43
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Now, with the careful manipulation of the system to force nurses to become dergreed graduates
I wonder how many nurses recruited from overseas are university graduates.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 13:28
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
I wonder how many nurses recruited from overseas are university graduates.
FED, not the point. The home grown ones are getting degrees in nursing to qualify as nurses. Those from overseas are already qualified to an acceptable standard

I might add that when I was in Boston Hospital, a centre of Polish and Portuguese immigration, I was treated by 4 staff nurses, 3 English one Indian, 2 English sisters, 4 nursing assistants, 3 English one Polish. Later, in the Chemo suite, all English.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 14:20
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That is the point. So many young British are being discouraged from nursing BECAUSE of the paraphernalia of getting a degree. None of the nurses I knew in my youth had a degree and the nurses who have looked after me in various parts of the world haven't had one either.
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 15:14
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
None of the nurses I knew in my youth had a degree.
Indeed, they were 'caring' types who could administer appropriate treatment
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 15:22
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As even the most basic piece of research would have exposed this Labour shill, it is obvious that this article of fake news was a deliberate lie by Sky News.

https://order-order.com/2018/09/19/c...bour-activist/
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 17:31
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
That is the point. So many young British are being discouraged from nursing BECAUSE of the paraphernalia of getting a degree. None of the nurses I knew in my youth had a degree and the nurses who have looked after me in various parts of the world haven't had one either.

Fairly sure Hattie Jacques didn't have a degree and she made it to Matron....
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 18:21
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I am trying to be Serious!
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Old 19th Sep 2018, 18:59
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I am trying to be Serious!
onJet blast? Are you serious? 😂
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 08:58
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Is this serious enough?

https://news.sky.com/story/eu-airpor...veals-11502372

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Old 20th Sep 2018, 09:12
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Is this serious enough?

https://news.sky.com/story/eu-airpor...veals-11502372

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Oh tsk, nowhere near enough to warrant "serious " and will doubtless be resolved, along with a few other outstanding trivial issues, within the remaining months to March .

Of course, being Sky, the outlet may well be blamed for not mentioning the letter was actually drafted by a Labour activist living in a squat in Walthamstow
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 12:48
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As usual, the BBC manages to find the time and space to quote one of the EU Idealogues -

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-45581056

But not one of the UK's more successful entrepreneurs -

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/10...video-Chequers

Maybe the BBC should / could go ask the EU for its license money instead of the UK public ?
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 14:09
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Oh dear, looks like Treeza may not be enjoying too many more schnitzels and fruit....dinner menu.... with a slight intermission for her 5-10mins speech.....which was clearly well received ....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45586010
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 17:32
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There was mention on the Today programme, this morning, of a group of backbench Tories saying Treeza will be removed in April, as the Brexit chaos is breaking out. They also said Boris is not going to make the running as substitute.
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Old 20th Sep 2018, 17:55
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There was mention on the Today programme, this morning, of a group of backbench Tories saying Treeza will be removed in April, as the Brexit chaos is breaking out. They also said Boris is not going to make the running as substitute.
May may well think it reasonable to resign in April. "I've seen Brexit through as I promised, now it's time for someone else to take the country forward."
​​​​​​Whoever takes over will have a poisoned chalice.
And I'm still thinking of the unthinkable in the following general election. People will vote for something, anything, different. And there is only the one alternative. Be very afraid.
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