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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 10:37
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Whilst I am certainly one of those erstwhile Labour voters who have deserted due to JC I cannot say with any degree of certainty that I would not be tempted to offer my support again were either Boris or JRM take the helm. It would be a matter of deciding which is the less extreme. My instinct would be to support anyone but either of the two extreme parties but first past the post effectively prevents that being a strategy that stands any chance of success. Failing a realistic option of a third party Labour might be the only way of preventing a right wing takeover. Add to this a No Deal Brexit and a Labour administration could occur by default.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 10:47
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Whilst I am certainly one of those erstwhile Labour voters who have deserted due to JC I cannot say with any degree of certainty that I would not be tempted to offer my support again were either Boris or JRM take the helm. It would be a matter of deciding which is the less extreme.
An apposite time to crosspost from Guido Fawkes.....

https://order-order.com/2018/08/23/c...t-anti-semite/

Last night’s Channel 4 News didn’t exactly go to plan. First they wrongly introduced Hillary supporting, Democrat voting, Harvard Law School Emeritus Professor Alan Dershowitz as an ‘adviser to Donald Trump’, before he demolished their holier than thou attitude towards the state of U.S. politics.

“Where is the moral backbone of Great Britain to have as the head of the Labour Party a virulent anti-Semite, a virulent hater of Jews and the nation state of the Jewish people.

Don’t lecture us about our political system as long as you have Jeremy Corbyn who may potentially become the next Prime Minister of England. Shame on Great Britain for allowing that to come to pass.”
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 11:02
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When does a C4 news presenter feel that he has to become an apologist for Corbyn? Well, last night when he replied to the Prof's peroration with...

"He would be rejecting all those accusations, obviously...".

Funny that they ran out of time just when it was getting interesting.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 15:15
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It is worth remembering that the UK, being a Christian country, whose head of State is head of the Church, has had Jewish prime ministers but not a Roman Catholic one.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 16:08
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
It is worth remembering that the UK, being a Christian country, whose head of State is head of the Church, has had Jewish prime ministers but not a Roman Catholic one.
Does that mean that the main parties are anti-papist?
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 16:08
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Disraeli was Anglican - the family converted when he was 12 years old - so in that respect, i.e. not officially, Tony Blair can equally said to have been Roman Catholic, even though he on.y officially converted after leaving office.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 16:40
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
It is worth remembering that the UK, being a Christian country, whose head of State is head of the Church, has had Jewish prime ministers but not a Roman Catholic one.
Blair hid his Catholicism until he left offce.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 17:13
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Blair hid his Catholicism until he left offce.
So he could seek absolution for his war crime?
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 17:19
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It seems the government have finally faced up to the reality of a no-deal Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45274972
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 17:28
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Disraeli was Anglican - the family converted when he was 12 years old - so in that respect, i.e. not officially, Tony Blair can equally said to have been Roman Catholic, even though he on.y officially converted after leaving office.
According to Wiki he was Jewish by birth. But either way he was Jewish when in office. TB, true to form, did not confess while in office. If Mrs TB was RC, by dictate the children should have been brought up Catholic. I think he should have converted after marriage. My mother was a Catholic but never followed the faith.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 17:43
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But either way he was Jewish when in office
No, he was baptised in 1817 and was a practicing Anglican.

Jewish by race - but Anglican by religion.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 17:50
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It seems the government have finally faced up to the reality of a no-deal Brexit.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45274972
We await the 2019 versions of "Digging for Victory "..."How to fill a sandbag " ......... and similar helpful Gov't publications from the past....popping through the door......the cost of any of those former public education films would be far too prohibitive for today's media and advertising coverage.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 17:53
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So now we have Project Fear 2.0 Only this time it's official and far more frightening than the original version for the fact that it's real. I can't wait until half a million pearly kings and queens don't receive their pensions and arrive back in the UK bating for blood.

Blair a war criminal? Well no more so than Cameron and Hague for their Libyan adventure.
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Old 23rd Aug 2018, 17:56
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PN,

p.s. Jews were excluded from Parliament until 1858* - Disraeli was elected to represent Maidstone in 1837.

* Jews Relief Act: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_Relief_Act_1858
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 05:58
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" Dear Dominic,

You know how it is in politics ....a convenient scapegoat always appeases the public and even more so when he / she, is totally implausible . This helps diverts the publics attention from any form of total incompetence and cosmetic assurances the public may have been offered prior to your promotion to this much sought after role in Gov't.

Love n hugs,

Theresa xx "

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-paper-cartoon
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 07:36
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Far from easing fears over a possible No Deal I think that yesterday's events have only served to intensify them with official sources confirming the multiple chaotic results that are likely to ensue. It seems now that everything that is revealed points to further dire consequences stemming from this ill judged joint enterprise with the only mitigation coming from the soothing, siren voices of the ERG as their unworldly spokesman Jacob assures us, albeit with scant evidence for his case, that everything will be alright on the night.

Conversely the somewhat lacklustre but nevertheless workmanlike chancellor assures with equally certainty that it won't be alright. I would like to hope that the former is correct and we are about to move into the sunlit uplands, bathed in the benign glow of an economic golden age once we are free of the shackles of the EU. It does seem however that the dystopian version is the more likely outcome.
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 08:58
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Time is marching on.

https://howmanydaystill.com/its/brexit-6
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 11:07
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Corbyn should be relieved that he has now gained support for his anti-Semitism.

Unfortunately it is coming from David Duke (KKK) and Nick Griffin (British National Party).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...erafter-video/
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 11:40
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Britons visiting the EU could also face extra credit card charges
Excellent, will help stop the chavs spending dosh they don't have in smelly Spanish Tapas bars
....Things are looking better all the time


...Straight ahead fellas....straight ahead
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Old 24th Aug 2018, 22:58
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Jewish by race - but Anglican by religion.
Eh? Race? Have I missed something?
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