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Old 6th Aug 2018, 16:58
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
I was hoping that post would be ignored. There is more than enough discussion for Zebedee to read on the two Brexit threads, without getting this one closed as well.
We will all see what actually happens in a year's time.
You can hope all you want, madam.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 17:10
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Yes, the right to live and work anywhere in the EU is a useful facility, for those few lucky enough to take advantage. It is of course, more of an inward than an outward flow of labour, due to the English language and the lower wages in many countries. But it was possible to work and live in Europe pre EU, though not so easy as now.

This country lead the world with equal rights for female workers and other 'just' legislation. We can give workers as much protection as society demands, once we've left. We didn't need the EU to tell us to do the right thing in the past and we won't in the future.

If I were a farmer, or any sort of employer, then Poles would be my choice of employee - they're great people, brilliant workers. But it would be better for the UK if our unemployed were encouraged to do the work. Farmers/supermarkets/consumers can afford another 10p on the price of a bag of spuds to encourage our reluctant workers.
The English language, and our great British unwillingness to speak "foreign"!

Supermarkets would only accept the additional 10p per kg on the cost if they could pass it on to customers, but we love our cheap food. I really don't know just how much it would take to convince the idle to work in the fields. A deal more than the minimum or even the living wage I'd bet. What we need post Brexit is some compulsion to make the idle work, on pain of losing their benefits. but of course the do gooders will say, perhaps with some justification, that if that was done it wouldn't be the idle who would suffer, they'd still manage to pay for the Sky sub, booze and tobacco, whilst the kids go without a decent pair of shoes and a square meal.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 18:08
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
When people attack a Left wing bookshop, the BBC labels them "fascists".

But when another group attack Jacob Rees-Moggs house, garden and car, they are simply "vandals".
I don't condone "attacking" anything as part of the normal political process - we haven't quite got there yet - but there is a difference. A small independent bookshop is normally a family's only means of earning a living, where as JRM has lots of houses, gardens, and cars, and could buy a few dozen more without noticing the cost.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 18:16
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where as JRM has lots of houses, gardens, and cars, and could buy a few dozen more without noticing the cost.
So, you consider it acceptable to rob the rich?
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 18:23
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
I don't condone "attacking" anything as part of the normal political process - we haven't quite got there yet - but there is a difference. A small independent bookshop is normally a family's only means of earning a living, where as JRM has lots of houses, gardens, and cars, and could buy a few dozen more without noticing the cost.
Also employs a nanny....don't forget the nanny....having a nanny on the books is always a neat way to show ones social standing...

Robbing the rich ?...well some enterprising Irishman named Jack Duggan was doing ok until it all ended a bit suddenly one day....and fundamentally, there's actually nothing wrong with this, although some arcane by laws tend to be an inconvenience in this respect.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 18:24
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
... where as JRM has lots of houses, gardens, and cars, and could buy a few dozen more without noticing the cost.
That is a disgusting concept and should never, ever come into judging what is right or wrong regarding criminal damage.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 18:26
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Also employs a nanny....don't forget the nanny....having a nanny on the books is always a neat way to show ones social standing...

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So you would prefer that the nanny was unemployed? What about her 'social standing' then?
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 18:29
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
That is a disgusting concept and should never, ever come into judging what is right or wrong regarding criminal damage.
So you'd junk all the "victim impact statement" rubbish then.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 18:30
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
So you would prefer that the nanny was unemployed? What about her 'social standing' then?
Don't worry, if she hasn't already gone "back" to where she came from in the EU27 she'll be on her way soon.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 18:30
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
The English language, and our great British unwillingness to speak "foreign"!
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Maybe you should discuss that one with Frederick Forsyth. He seems to think that it is quite understandable that the English don't 'speak "foreign" ' and gives rational reasons for the situation.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 18:33
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Stop trying to wriggle out of your own comments, Gertie. You know what I mean.

And you're starting to sound like KnC.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 18:39
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let's just say I can't see Boris or Mogg suffering whatever happens - doesn't Mogg pay himself several thousand quid an hour for his "expertise"???
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 19:30
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Agree with those who reckon that the Irish border issues are a non-issue, IMHO they are being raised by those disingenuous remain people who forget all the other stated places that don’t currently have border issues and are not in the EU, or any constituent parts of it for that matter, the only difference is they are not trying to leave and have people who will stoop to the lowest levels possible to win their way of staying in, no matter what the cost to the UK, and the government is not doing much to scotch any of the latest anti exit rhetoric, in fact they are actually behind some/most of it.

As for all this talk of a ‘no deal’ there is technically no such thing, as all that will happen is trading will continue under WTO and tariffs may or may not be applied, although one area that will change is the current EU tariffs the UK has to pay for importing from non-EU countries will stop, oh and the ‘tariff’, or payment, the UK make each year to the EU for the privilege of that free movement and trade should also stop, all depending on whether May and Co don’t surrender the UK to remain tied to EU control and continue to pay for the privilege of being in that position, and without a say.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 19:49
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Wrong! That was not a BBC label. The BBC were quoting what Billy Bragg had said. Hence the use of quotation marks in their title.
They didn't bother to correct or challenge the comment by the multi millionaire, anti-Semitic, Corbynite.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 20:10
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I know we have talked food before but I wonder about supply and tariffs. 30% of our food is imported from the internal protected market. Is there a tariff on imported NZ lamb and butter to protect the internal market?

Do we import Australian beef? It used to be available in Cyprus before Cyprus joined the EU.

By coincidence perhaps there was an article about Blue Skys who have production in Egypt and Gambia amongst others. Is there a tariff penalty on imports into the EU?

What food do we import from the EU that is not readily available from outside? Israeli citrus fruits vice Spanish. As for wine, who would miss the French, German and Italian when we have Australia and New Zealand not to mention Americans?
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 20:38
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
They didn't bother to correct or challenge the comment by the multi millionaire, anti-Semitic, Corbynite.
The BBC's job is to report accurately​​​​​ what is said or done. They very soon get criticised on here when they fail to do so. In this case they quoted what Bragg said, so that we can all judge him for it.

You were wrong to say that was the BBC's own statement.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 21:11
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You were wrong to say that was the BBC's own statement.
True, but the BBC chose the headline

Socialist bookshop in London 'attacked by mask-wearing fascists'

and should have been aware that many people wouldn't notice or even understand the significance of the quotation marks.
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 21:19
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
The BBC's job is to report accurately​​​​​ what is said or done.
Now, you are really having a laugh!
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Old 6th Aug 2018, 21:46
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Now, you are really having a laugh!
Of course the BBC gets it wrong very frequently.

But in this case they reported it accurately, and you are blaming them for getting it right!
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Old 7th Aug 2018, 06:56
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
Of course the BBC gets it wrong very frequently.

But in this case they reported it accurately, and you are blaming them for getting it right!
No, they added a quote from someone who aligns with their political position.
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