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Old 26th Jul 2018, 17:33
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Getting “Too many redirects” on this thread now - need a UK Politics Deux.....
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 17:47
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
That implies UK food before 1 Nov 1993. There was no EU before that.

I can remember extremely good quality fresh food in the '80s.
Aw bless...how desperate can you get here. retreating to semantics regarding the EEC and the EU.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 18:53
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
Project fear is alive and well.

I'm too young to remember life before the EU but I am presuming we could feed ourselves and manage to knock up a sandwich.
we imported most of our food
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 19:21
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
So in essence, we will need to eat more locally sourced food. The alternative will be more expensive so UK produce will become more attractive.

Sounds like a good situation to me. Isn't that what people have been trying to make us do for years now?

The Guardian in particular have regular articles about eating local produce, Brexit could be the main catalyst to reducing our cheap european imports and supporting our own producers.

Then we have New Zealand Lamb, South American Beef etc.

Of course, what will actually happen is the EU will make it as easy as possible to get their Scottish seafood and beef and send us our fruit & veg from Spain etc. They are not going to make it harder to sell their products to us just out of spite.
I would imagine some sort of deal will happen. As I have previous said, let's see the uproar from business people from around the EU when they realise that the ruling elite have wrecked their businesses(potentially). As mentioned above, the asparagus farmers, cheese makers etc. they don't care about the politics, they just want to make a living, as most people do.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 19:25
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 19:30
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
They are not going to make it harder to sell their products to us just out of spite.
I believe that is exactly what they will try and do, along with UK remain businesses and politicians, to punish the lower echelons of society who dared to make a stand against them, just not cricket is it, shouldn't be allowed and they will make us pay through the nose for what crumbs they let through so they gain as well as the chance to prove their point.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 20:01
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
... They are not going to make it harder to sell their products to us just out of spite.
I agree with Exrigger, that is exactly what the Brussels elite will try to do. Until Pierre and all his farming mates from France arrive in Brussels with their tractors to point out to that Brussels elite the error of their ways for killing off so much of their market.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 20:25
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We used to get potatoes from Egypt but I don't remember seeing them now. Lots of exotic fruits come from Israel. Lots of vegetables come from Africa and South America. If I never saw another Broccoli it would be too soon.

I stopped Mrs PN from buying fresh broccoli as I composted most as it was off on arrival.

And as said above, the Spanish and French farmers would riot of one of their major markets was closed.

Also go round any shop and you will see BRITISH meat, you don't see Italian goats or French horse meat for sale.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 20:31
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
If I never saw another Broccoli it would be too soon.
At the moment there are gorse fields in Cornwall in which the farmers are growing gorse because the EU is paying them not to grow broccoli, which is what they'd otherwise be using the fields for.

If we leave the EU these subsidies will stop, so you'll get more broccoli.
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 21:11
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I'm trying to work out if this is Gertie trying to show an ADVANTAGE of leaving the EU!!! For Pontius it is probably not, but as I actually enjoy broccoli I am delighted at Gertie's marvellous 'seeing the light' for reasons to leave that defective EU!!
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 21:17
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
I'm trying to work out if this is Gertie trying to show an ADVANTAGE of leaving the EU!!! For Pontius it is probably not, but as I actually enjoy broccoli I am delighted at Gertie's marvellous 'seeing the light' for reasons to leave that defective EU!!
I was winding y'all up, actually. Or, at least, those of you who don't know that what the Cornish gorse farmers call "broccoli" the rest of us call "cauliflower".
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 21:25
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
At the moment there are gorse fields in Cornwall in which the farmers are growing gorse because the EU is paying them not to grow broccoli, which is what they'd otherwise be using the fields for.i.
Wasn't it you, Gertie, who earlier today challenged anyone to give a single advantage of leaving the EU.

I think you have just done exactly that........ (or was it, indeed, a wind up....)
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Old 26th Jul 2018, 22:00
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"If we leave the EU these subsidies will stop..." Enough reason. The subsidies stopping will mean that we would have stopped handing over loads of dosh to the EU for them to have the money to pay a bit back to us in 'subsidies'.

A back-fired 'wind-up'?
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 06:43
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
We used to get potatoes from Egypt but I don't remember seeing them now. Lots of exotic fruits come from Israel. Lots of vegetables come from Africa and South America. If I never saw another Broccoli it would be too soon.

I stopped Mrs PN from buying fresh broccoli as I composted most as it was off on arrival.

And as said above, the Spanish and French farmers would riot of one of their major markets was closed.

Also go round any shop and you will see BRITISH meat, you don't see Italian goats or French horse meat for sale.
Well spotted ! you don't see French, or any other nationality, horse meat for sale, legal though it is to sell it .....you may recall a certain supermarket gave a whole new meaning to their slogan "every little helps" by including, gratis, horse meat in their barely edible burgers, but, alas, forgot to include this on the labelling......because the British have a bit of a social taboo about eating an animal they will happily squander a fortune on in the hope it can get from one end of a race track to the other intact.

Goat is a bit different however, gaining in popularity it seems, and now more available and........you will be ecstatic to learn.....is BRITISH ......rip rip hoorah !. This is where it can get a shade problematic because a lot of items labelled "British" tend to be more expensive than imported items and always have been.

However, should this culinary void appear, waiting in the wings as we know is the nations saviour ....a soopah trade deal with the cousins who will happily export as much chemical infested meat they can produce to sate British palates.......and you can bet there won't be banner advertising saying " Produced in the USA ".

I won't mention other great British cuisine examples, such as spotted dick for example, because many have been spotted with their euphoria emanating from 2016
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 07:11
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Thinking further about local, EU, and global food imports. It is true that the EU green grocery produce enables us to increase the good seasons but there is a catch and that isn't just money.

Anyone that has been around a French or Spanish market will have been amazed not just at the variety but the quality. Imported Spanish strawberries were mentioned. The imports taste nothing like the local.

Simply we get products that will travel. We get fruit picked unripe and either eat peaches as hard as apples o e miss the moment and they go rotten.

The loss of plentiful EU imports could be a bonus for local producers.

There is also fisheries where the EU could lose as many shellfish are exported as many British live too far from the coast to have acquired the taste.
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 07:29
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Re gee gees. I was once upon a time in Zurich doing a job for a customer going by the title "STAPO". (The police). One lunch time, we trundled off to a local fast food place (fast food as in motorway service style, not Mickey D). I saw an appetising looking stew and asked the chef for some of that. He leaned toward me and, with a Mancunian accent, asked me in lowered tones if I realised it was horse meat. So what, said I, it looks tasty. And it was!
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 08:02
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Originally Posted by Pontius Navigator View Post
Thinking further about local, EU, and global food imports. It is true that the EU green grocery produce enables us to increase the good seasons but there is a catch and that isn't just money.

Anyone that has been around a French or Spanish market will have been amazed not just at the variety but the quality. Imported Spanish strawberries were mentioned. The imports taste nothing like the local.

Simply we get products that will travel. We get fruit picked unripe and either eat peaches as hard as apples o e miss the moment and they go rotten.

The loss of plentiful EU imports could be a bonus for local producers.

There is also fisheries where the EU could lose as many shellfish are exported as many British live too far from the coast to have acquired the taste.
We await the sudden growth in peach orchards then here in the UK, albeit there's one possible reason we don't have them already...let's cast our mind back to something called a UK winter which isn't exactly conducive to growing such, and a few other varieties of crops we import, despite the patriotic allure of being able to plonk a "BRITISH " label on them.

Fish, now that's a good one and the bit about too many people living too far from the coast in particular. Possibly the population of Burton-on-Trent ( ish ) know not of what they have been deprived off in this respect.

And lets add a bit of nostalgia for the chaps here.....once upon a time, there was a retail outlet called.....".Macfisheries".. which, strangely enough sold, erm, fish and seafood products...who would have thunk it with a name like that !......not forgetting a distribution network known as the railways which, even more strangely carried fish and seafood products across the whole of the UK. now replaced as we know with Big Dazza, "slammin gears and chewin diesel" as the expression goes

I thunk it's fair to say the British have been consuming fish and seafood for "some considerable time ".

Kelvin D.....no need for a stew, just have a Dutch frikadelle .....with mayo and frites of course.
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 08:52
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(I do not know what that last Post was all on about...!)

Pontius Navigator, I fully agree with you about strawberries. Scottish strawberries taste far, far better than those Spanish things.

However I disagree with you about the seafood, as British people have acquired tastes for foods that originate a long, long way further than the coast is from them here.
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 09:09
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Waitrose sells some very good british sparkling wine, so I hope that those Guardian readers won't continue drinking that French stuff. (Although somehow I doubt it as they do have an 'image' to uphold and drinking local stuff won't be quite in keeping with that image!)
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Old 27th Jul 2018, 09:24
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I hold my hand up here, I am becoming confused by the posts above about food. JRM has told us that when we leave the EU food will be cheaper. However, if we are already importing cheap fruit from the EU and that stops, surely setting up new methods for growing fruit here will result in more expensive fruit? If we can't beat the imported fruit prices now, why will it be cheaper in future? Genuine question.
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