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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 20:59
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Raab C Brexit will sort it.
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 21:01
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I think the #brexit voters might change their minds about that after the Irish have stood back and watched the first million or so economic migrants walk over the border.

Well that's possible at the moment, isn't it. And whatever flavour brexit we have, it will still be possible because the border will remain open. Also, since Eire isn't part of Schengen, how will these young men actually get to Ireland?
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 21:52
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Well that's possible at the moment, isn't it. And whatever flavour brexit we have, it will still be possible because the border will remain open. Also, since Eire isn't part of Schengen, how will these young men actually get to Ireland?
Once we've left the Greeks, Italians, French (remember all those people camped around Calais) etc will give these people free train tickets to Belfast, or even run free bus convoys. The Irish will let in anyone who promises to move to the UK, and will stand back and watch, giggling. Or, if they're less trusting, escort the convoys of buses from the port to the border, same difference.

None of which happens at the moment.
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 22:01
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
None of which happens at the moment.
Why doesn't it?
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 22:12
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
Why doesn't it?
'Cos we have this relationship with our neighbours ... which whom we're in the process of splitting up ... y'know, like for example, we can right now take them to the ECJ if they play silly buggers, but we're giving away the right to do that. I think this is called "taking back control".
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Old 23rd Jul 2018, 22:53
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There's an interesting article in the Independent showing more or less how the rent a mob principle works.
A casting agency sent out a mass email to actors, offering them 20 each to stand in as part of anti Qatar protest outside Downing Street Tuesday.
This was to coincide with Theresa May having talks with the Emir of Qatar. Well, that explains the 747-8, A340 & A320 arriving at Heathrow yesterday (Sunday)!
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 08:15
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There's an interesting article in the Independent showing more or less how the rent a mob principle works.
A casting agency sent out a mass email to actors, offering them 20 each to stand in as part of anti Qatar protest outside Downing Street Tuesday.
This was to coincide with Theresa May having talks with the Emir of Qatar. Well, that explains the 747-8, A340 & A320 arriving at Heathrow yesterday (Sunday)!
sounds like a stunt that various tabloids have form for!
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 08:46
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But the documented migrants coming from poorer EU countries will still be able to come in via Dublin instead of Dover.
Aren't they the ones that Brexit was meant to stop? After all, the real illegals have always managed to get in, and Brexit won't change that.
Illegals are preferable for the government. Governance is about having influence. It is far easier to influence people you can deport or prosecute or even discredit when the need arises.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 09:01
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Always assuming of course that you know who they are and where they are. Which of course they don't.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 09:14
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Once we've left the Greeks, Italians, French (remember all those people camped around Calais) etc will give these people free train tickets to Belfast, or even run free bus convoys. The Irish will let in anyone who promises to move to the UK, and will stand back and watch, giggling. Or, if they're less trusting, escort the convoys of buses from the port to the border, same difference.

None of which happens at the moment.
That's pure fantasy. If these people had EU passports, they'd bring themselves to the UK. If they don't have EU passports, they won't be allowed into non Schengen Eire.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 10:30
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I've just had a quick look at the Irish Ferries website. A single ticket from France to Eire is about 400 Euros. I don't think that illegal immigrants have that sort of money. Even if they borrowed it there is still the problem of getting from Ulster to England.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 10:52
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
I've just had a quick look at the Irish Ferries website. A single ticket from France to Eire is about 400 Euros. I don't think that illegal immigrants have that sort of money.
The French, Italian and Greek governments do. Far cheaper to pay someone's fare to the UK than look after them locally. Oh, perhaps plus a bit extra as a bung to the Irish for policing the convoys.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 11:16
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
I've just had a quick look at the Irish Ferries website. A single ticket from France to Eire is about 400 Euros. I don't think that illegal immigrants have that sort of money.
Who is going to buy a single ticket? You can cram a lot of immigrants into a truck. Will the Irish ports be too bothered about examining incoming trucks the way the UK does? They know the illegals won't be staying in the republic - that hasn't been a problem for them until now.

Even if they borrowed it there is still the problem of getting from Ulster to England.
So we have a Calais style camp in Belfast.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 11:22
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The Falls Road or Shankhill Road would be ideal.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 11:43
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
The Falls Road or Shankhill Road would be ideal.
Yes, they'd probably turn around and settle in the South.

But the idea of European countries blatantly facilitating illegal immigration in clear breach of international law is yet more fantasy.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 11:58
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Is there an election in the offing?
BBC are reporting decent pay rises for armed forces, teachers and police officers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44933009
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 12:29
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Originally Posted by ZeBedie View Post
But the idea of European countries blatantly facilitating illegal immigration in clear breach of international law is yet more fantasy.
Which law would that be? - it's up to Ireland whether they let people into Ireland, and once people are in Ireland they can walk across the open border to the north.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 13:25
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once people are in Ireland they can walk across the open border to the north.
Then, as someone has already said, now trying catching the ferry!
In the past, I have had to show my passport when flying from Liverpool to the Isle of Man!
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 14:40
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The Irish are known for their enterprise in such matters. There are hundreds of miles of coastline from the Severn estuary up to The Hebrides that would make excellent entry points in the dead of night.
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 15:10
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Then, as someone has already said, now trying catching the ferry!
In the past, I have had to show my passport when flying from Liverpool to the Isle of Man!
This has been covered so many times before. A passport has to be shown on flights for aviation security reasons. A passport is not required on ferry travel to/from Belfast.
That could be changed of course if the government required it, but over the dead bodies (perhaps literally) of the 'Loyalists' in NI who insist that there be no border controls within the UK.
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