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Old 1st Jul 2010, 18:27
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the smoking ban fall into the category GOOD laws
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I never was one of your aggressively scientific johnnies, but through the mists there looms Graham's Law of Gaseous Diffusion which said in short that gases diffuse. I also recall that cigarette smoke is a colloid, but that stuff and carbon dioxide seem to diffuse much as advertised by Mr Graham. Why is it a good law to have people "No smoking within nine metres of the building", when the diesel 24-wheelers are pouring out the rich diesel smoke.

Or should I believe in anthropogenic global warmng too?
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Old 1st Jul 2010, 18:43
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Old 1st Jul 2010, 19:50
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Old 1st Jul 2010, 20:28
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Jeez.... you guys buy all this anti-Europe crap?

How much do you think the UK actually pay towards a common Europe?
How much export do you think you generate thanks to a common Europe?
A simple one, how clean would you beaches now be without Europe?

Stop being so simplistic will you please? You may live on a (great) island but the economy these days is far from insular.

British politicians have always used Europe as the easy scapegoat for whatever problem they had (the outside enemy) but I had rather hoped that those with wings would have taken a somewhat broader helicopter view (no pun intended) on what makes the world tick these days....

Apologies if my command of your language is not quite sufficient, but then, I rather think writing here in Dutch would have had a worse result.....

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Old 1st Jul 2010, 21:05
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Jeez.... you guys buy all this anti-Europe crap?
Some of them do.



That's a picture of the Iron Curtain. People used to get shot for trying to get across. Now it's an EU internal border, and the sign says (roughly) "this is an international border, you can walk across if you like". I don't even bother to take my passport when I go up there.
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Old 2nd Jul 2010, 07:20
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However, if smoking is legal then banning it in certain cases amounts to nothing more than public oppression
Eh? [email protected]'s legal, but not permitted in public places. Is that oppression?
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Old 2nd Jul 2010, 08:16
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Davaar has a good point. What on earth IS the point of banning smoking within a certain distance of buildings when those same areas are flooded every day with a far greater volume of carcinogen-laden gaseous substances than could ever be equalled by whole squadrons of determined smokers?

How about repealing the law against dying in the Houses of Parliament? And how many of you have broken Cromwell's law against eating mince pies on Christmas Day? The books must be full of this ancient rubbish ... like people in Chester being able to shoot Welshmen but it must be within the city walls and it must be after midnight. Oh ... and you have to use a crossbow!
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Old 2nd Jul 2010, 08:25
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I see somebody's called for the law of gravity to be repealed on the grounds that it discriminates against fat people..................
HEAR! HEAR!

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[email protected]'s legal, but not permitted in public places. Is that oppression?
YES! I AM AN OPPRESSED PUD PULLER!!!
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Old 2nd Jul 2010, 11:43
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Old 2nd Jul 2010, 11:47
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Thanks, LF; I was just about to ask if someone could post that!
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Old 2nd Jul 2010, 13:02
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Let's get rid of all those things that have to be renewed just for the sake of it - like those EU medical insurance cards. I just had to get new ones for my family, and though they're free, someone has to sit there and get paid to process them. And why? If I die I won't renew, and if I'm alive and travelling I need one. So they could just be permanent.

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Old 2nd Jul 2010, 13:58
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Politicians raising lost issues, like Boris the Unesntionable dredging up the idea of a new airport near the Isle of Sheppey. Shouls make him hold his campaign meetings on the Richard Montgomery He can ride down there on that other no-hope idea, the replacement Routemaster
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Old 2nd Jul 2010, 17:49
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Old 2nd Jul 2010, 18:20
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Old 2nd Jul 2010, 19:26
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How about a large % of the Human rights act.
Either that, or amend it so that convicted criminals can't use it to avoid deportation back to their home country.
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Old 2nd Jul 2010, 21:19
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, I rather think writing here in Dutch would have had a worse result..
Too bloody right, Mrs SO is half Dutch and she'd have your guts for garters - mine have worn out.

We are net importers from Europe. You are our customers. We buy tulips and hashish from the Netherlands (very good too, the tulips). We buy cars from France and Germany and we keep people unemployed by importing labourers from Eastern Europe, who show formidable skill in recovering from hangovers caused by the Polish beer distilled with nuclear reactor water, and working damned hard for a living, as opposed to what many of our people wish to do - eat Wotsits and watch Jeremy Kyle.

It might seem very atavistic to you, but we don't countenance being pushed around. We have our own government doing that to us.

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Old 2nd Jul 2010, 23:38
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The smoking issue could easily have be handled far more democratically. Landlords, Restaurateurs etc should simply be given the right to make their establishment either smoking or non smoking so they can maximise their customer base dependent upon their clientele. Alternatively compelled to have segregated smoking rooms into which non smokers and staff do not need to go, just like they wouldnt need to go into smokers pubs.

This would be fair to smokers and non smokers and would mean I wouldn't have to traipse through a pile of fag ends and a fog of smoke and disgruntled looking folk while just trying to get through the door of my local pub.

Not being permitted to smoke in one's personal office or personal company car is ridiculous, and leads to crowds of plebs on street corners . The government leaflet actually says something about tobacco fumes being trapped in the car and furniture upholstery and then jumping out to get you when you get in!
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Old 3rd Jul 2010, 00:22
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Originally Posted by flybymike View Post
The smoking issue could easily have be handled far more democratically. Landlords, Restaurateurs etc should simply be given the right to make their establishment either smoking or non smoking so they can maximise their customer base dependent upon their clientele. Alternatively compelled to have segregated smoking rooms into which non smokers and staff do not need to go, just like they wouldnt need to go into smokers pubs.
WikiAnswers - When was the first tobacco cigarette made

I know it's Wikki

Smokefree England - all about the smokefree legislation on 1st July 2007

So from roughly 1860 through to 2007 landlords etc could have headed this all of at the pass if they had wanted to so, if you are really really stupid enough to believe the oft trotted out smokers bolloeux rhetoric it's no wonder they are all going out of business
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Old 3rd Jul 2010, 12:09
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Thing is, flybymike, that was pretty much how the legislation was drafted, but the Conservatives insisted on the current setup to see it through.
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Old 3rd Jul 2010, 12:24
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As it happens, some places did. My club, for example, has a smoking room - where you may not smoke any more (ladies were also barred but some interfering little Fabian did away with that too). I can name two pubs in W4 which had separate smoking areas. One is now closed and the other is struggling as it's become a rather oversized crèche for MILFs to sip their loss-making latte.

No smoking signs on churches, for pity's sake. I detest socialists.

I believe that all drugs should be decriminalised, - I'd put up with the smoking and hunting bans for that.

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