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Old 1st May 2018, 12:57
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“..Morgan put her through the wringer..”. No he didn’t. He only asked how Labour would deal with clear-cut cases of people illegally in U.K. Her answers were either incoherent or blindly ignored the question. Labour have been highly critical of Tory immigration policy. Does anyone have a clue what theirs is?

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Old 1st May 2018, 13:25
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
Labour have been highly critical of Tory immigration policy. Does anyone have a clue what theirs is?
More immigrants.
More benefits.
More Labour votes.

Easy, when you think about it.
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Old 1st May 2018, 13:52
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Originally Posted by Highway1 View Post
Sounds like a guy with a pretty good sense fo humor who would be fun to have a beer with
You do know he's a Muslim?
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Old 1st May 2018, 14:07
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You do know he's a Muslim?
Well he is non practicing and I have known several practicing Muslims who drink alcohol. It wasnt unusual in Dubai to see a local guy in full dishdash in the bars with a Russian hooker on his arm throwing back Scotch..
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Old 1st May 2018, 15:12
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Sounds like a guy with a pretty good sense fo humor who would be fun to have a beer with
Only time will tell whether he’s a good Home Secretary or not, but I wish him luck. The Home Office is an absolute poisoned chalice and destroyer of reputations. I do like his back story, though. And it’s noteworthy that the first person from an ethnic minority community to hold one of the great offices of state is a Tory…..
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Old 1st May 2018, 15:42
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Well he is non practicing and I have known several practicing Muslims who drink alcohol. It wasnt unusual in Dubai to see a local guy in full dishdash in the bars with a Russian hooker on his arm throwing back Scotch..
Maybe, maybe not. Whenever a Muslim has entered local politics in my area there has been a significant drop in that party's share of the vote. I would imagine the incentive to distance oneself from the religion for electoral reasons might be great,
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Old 1st May 2018, 16:06
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
Only time will tell whether he’s a good Home Secretary or not, but I wish him luck. The Home Office is an absolute poisoned chalice and destroyer of reputations. I do like his back story, though. And it’s noteworthy that the first person from an ethnic minority community to hold one of the great offices of state is a Tory…..
Not quite a destroyer of reputations. One incumbent made it her one, and only, notable achievement before subsequently demonstrating that the Tories were desperate to ensure they had somebody whom they felt would be safe as a leader......sadly, or rather more delightedly, this has proved to be a "slight error of judgement ".

I can see why you, and no doubt many on others on here. will like his back story. Read it carefully and you can see he's as true to the Tory cause as you can get.....and his aspirations for himself. Adieu, if there was even the remotest chance and there never was really, Boris and his own here.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sajid_Javid
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Old 1st May 2018, 16:31
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Significantly the wiki article refers to the fall in Javid's vote in. 2010 relative to his predecessor. This is something that is quite marked where a candidate fails to conform to a sector of the electorate's image of "Englishness". It happens whatever party the candidate represents but it is more marked with Conservatives. Generally the supporters of that party have a larger cohort for whom this represents a deterrent to giving their support. I would imagine that leading the party would result in a significant drop in support.
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Old 1st May 2018, 19:10
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Given the choice of the next Home Secretary being Javid or Dianne Abbott, which way would you think it would persuade any floating Tory voter to cast their vote?
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Old 1st May 2018, 20:10
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That wasn't my point. It really was in relation to Javid being proposed as leader.
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Old 1st May 2018, 20:33
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I wasn’t aware anyone had - an election too early - the one after perhaps.
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Old 1st May 2018, 21:33
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
I would imagine that leading the party would result in a significant drop in support.
Surely the same was said before the Tories elected the first Jewish Leader and the first Women leader - I think you may be surprised.
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Old 2nd May 2018, 04:25
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In contrast to the swing of 3.7% towards the Tories nationally when Javid first stood for parliament in 2010 he suffered a reduction in his vote of 7.3%. It's important to note that I am not defending this, just saying that it does happen.
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Old 2nd May 2018, 06:44
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This feels like I’m defending Tories, which goes against the grain. However - do you not think there is very often a drop when a party replaces a sitting MP, who is likely to have been building a personal vote over time? Added into the mix is the fact that his predecessor Julie Kirkbride was pretty much forced out due to the expenses scandal, which is also likely to have had an effect? Since 2010 his vote numbers have increased each time.
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Old 2nd May 2018, 07:21
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I see racism in the Labour Party isn’t restricted to antisemitism. Must be the new kinder politics Jeremy talks about.....

”Coconut” and “Uncle Tom”. Now if a Conservative party member used terms like that about, say, Dianne Abbott, Labour would be screaming racism from the rooftops, flaggelating ghe Conservatives and demanding the6 not only be expelled but also prosecuted. Being Labour members, officials and candidates there is, instead, silence.....

Why am I not surprised?

https://order-order.com/2018/05/01/l...and-uncle-tom/
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Old 2nd May 2018, 07:31
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I see racism in the Labour Party isn’t restricted to antisemitism. Must be the new kinder politics Jeremy talks about.....

”Coconut” and “Uncle Tom”. Now if a Conservative party member used terms like that about, say, Dianne Abbott, Labour would be screaming racism from the rooftops, flaggelating ghe Conservatives and demanding the6 not only be expelled but also prosecuted. Being Labour members, officials and candidates there is, instead, silence.....

Why am I not surprised?

https://order-order.com/2018/05/01/l...and-uncle-tom/
ORAC.....just by way of balance....

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Old 2nd May 2018, 07:32
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
I see racism in the Labour Party isn’t restricted to antisemitism. Must be the new kinder politics Jeremy talks about.....

”Coconut” and “Uncle Tom”. Now if a Conservative party member used terms like that about, say, Dianne Abbott, Labour would be screaming racism from the rooftops, flaggelating ghe Conservatives and demanding the6 not only be expelled but also prosecuted. Being Labour members, officials and candidates there is, instead, silence.....

Why am I not surprised?

https://order-order.com/2018/05/01/l...and-uncle-tom/
I would be very wary of what is happening at Guidos site at the moment, especially anything posted up in the comments. Comments are being mod-ed in the most bizarre fashion and info suggests that Momentum had been setting up fake accounts on Disqus. They have then been using them to post informatory and libellous statements that they then flag up up moderators with threats of legal action.
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Old 2nd May 2018, 07:46
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KnC, the subtle difference you might have missed concerning the Conservative candidate is the word “suspended”......
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Old 2nd May 2018, 07:52
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In contrast to the swing of 3.7% towards the Tories nationally when Javid first stood for parliament in 2010 he suffered a reduction in his vote of 7.3%. It's important to note that I am not defending this, just saying that it does happen.
Yes, it does happen. Easily visible on council elections where there are multiple seats up for grabs. But round here it hasn't stopped all three[#] parties putting up ethnic minority candidates.

[#] Actually that was the "old" three main parties in Cambridge - Tory, Labour, LibDem. The Tories have vanished from the face of the earth and the third main party round here is now the Greens. I haven't noticed them put up an ethnic minority candidate yet but it's entirely possible that they have.
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Old 2nd May 2018, 09:14
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I am guessing that where I live the effect is far stronger due to the type of electorate. Am I correct in assuming that the demise of the Tories around Cambridge is B****t related? The issue I raised was brought home to me by speaking with a Tory supporter with whom I regularly cross swords. When I met him the other day he was moaning about Javid's appointment, whereas he is usually directing his ire at Labour, Lib Dems or Remainers.
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