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Old 18th Apr 2018, 17:42
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Well, that was a virtuoso by Mrs May in Parliament to day. Or was it more of a moment of sophistry?
She thought she had nailed Corbyn with her assertion that the destruction of the landing cards began under the 2009 Labour government. She probably was not exactly telling lies. Then an hour or so later, I heard Alan Duncan MP on t'wireless making it quite clear that this sort of thing would have nothing to do with government ministers but would be dealt with entirely by the relevant office.
Then, later on I listened to a lady who had been a very senior civil servant at the time explaining how a business case was made by the Border Agency to the Home Office to destroy tons of paper work as there was a problem with space. This related not solely landing cards but to a whole heap of other government paper work. Approval was given and this would have been at the end of the Labour government. However, nothing happened until 23rd October 2010, with the knowledge of the Home Office.
So Mme May was perhaps being accurate when saying the decision on the business case was agreed under Labour but it actually was carried out under the Coaltion government.
And your point?
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 19:07
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And your point?

Every new administration should revisit every decision taken by the previous one?..
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 19:17
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Originally Posted by Highway1 View Post
Every new administration should revisit every decision taken by the previous one?..
Which would result in widespread despair as people who had been lobbying for something for decades, to finally succeed in getting it agreed, find that with a change of government it's automatically kicked back into the long grass.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 19:57
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And your point?
If you can't figure it out, then don't let me spoil your day!
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 21:17
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Just noise then.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 21:55
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One point that might have have escaped appropriate notice is that, were the Marxist Corbyn to be correct, then the Liberal Democrats and their leader, the then vice prime minister, Nick Clegg, should bear equal responsibility. Vince Cable owes the British public an explanation, Teresa May already having given hers.
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 22:04
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
One point that might have have escaped appropriate notice is that, were the Marxist Corbyn to be correct, then the Liberal Democrats and their leader, the then vice prime minister, Nick Clegg, should bear equal responsibility. Vince Cable owes the British public an explanation, Teresa May already having given hers.
Yeah - Vince should explain for the LibDems and then Corbyn can explain why Labour introduced the change in the first place.

then everyone is happy except for the poor unfortunates being shipped back to the Caribbean..
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Old 18th Apr 2018, 23:30
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Then there should be a collectivised spokesman for world immigration whose brief it would be to satisfactory explain why all those people wanted to come to Britain in the first place. One thing is for certain, the immigrant rate, either legal or illegal, is likely to take a great tumble were the Marxist Corbyn ever to come to power in the UK. This should not be sufficient reason for left and right lunatics to vote for him and his ilk but it might give pause for sober reflection in a society not usually known for its sobriety.
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Old 19th Apr 2018, 14:40
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Nicola digging in her heels...am no sayin that...

Nicola Sturgeon has refused to reveal who the SNP consultant was that met with controversial data firm Cambridge Analytica.

Sturgeon refuses to name consultant who met Cambridge Analytica for SNP | Watford Observer

So what you say

Uhuh...

"The "utterly hypocritical" SNP have been compiling a database of every voter in Scotland for over seven years. It was the first political party in the world to introduce revolutionary computer software called NationBuilder, co-founded by Mark Zuckerberg’s Harvard roommate and funded by Facebook's billionaire co-founder."

https://www.express.co.uk/scotland/9...y-social-media

"The SNP began building its Activate database of Scotland's 4 million voters almost a decade ago, using public information such as the electoral roll and canvassing returns.

With Labour ahead in the polls before the 2011 Scottish election, SNP digital strategist Kirk Torrance contacted the LA-based team behind NationBuilder and offered to give the software a trial run.

It was designed by Jim Gilliam and co-founded by social media pioneer Joe Green, who shared a room with Zuckerberg, with funding from Facebook and Napster billionaire Sean Parker, who was portrayed by Justin Timberlake in The Social Network movie.

NationBuilder allowed the SNP to mine social media for additional information to be added to Activate, including photos, bios, email addresses and locations."
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 03:01
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Addressing the Nation....

You can sense the passion, the verve and the vigour pulsating across the airwaves in this suitably morose offering.


Had she been extoling the delights of, say, being in Stornoway on a wet Sunday in the middle of January, then the inflection would be more relevant ( nothing against Stornoway by the way, but, it can get a bit bleak, cold and wet ) but alas, she is supposedly urging the nation to vote for her party.

Viewers may also note the depictions of the famed demographic, "Middle / Little England"..... less there be any confusion as to the target audience. Surprisingly, cream teas on the manicured lawns, and voters with glasses of "Pimms" in hand, were not included in these shots of the Tory idyll that seeks to portray this green and pleasant land.



Just one small problem with her claims.

If Council Tax has been reduced by up to £100 a year, how come mine has gone up by 5.99%....?

Tory maths at their finest !

Meanwhile, in a suburb of Derby, a major crime spree has broken out it seems.....well not quite, just a few posters for UKIP have mysteriously vanished....Derbyshire's finest have thrown all their resources into the investigation , but, sadly, without success.

https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/new...-derby-1465963

I would like to say I was in Stafford last weekend and thus am totally innocent....

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Old 20th Apr 2018, 06:34
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The Remoaners, led by men of such low integrity as Blair, Clegg and Adonis are set to making Britain a laughing stock of an hermaphroditic state, being neither in Europe nor out of it.
The Brexiters are apparently set on destroying the trade routes of Britain, bearing in mind that really only a small part of the British economy comes from the cargo cult trade of stuff itself?
Teresa May battles gamely on but hasn't the authority to do a proper job, whichever job she might really wish to do.
The Marxists are at the city gates and history is quite clear on the financial destruction and abuse of the rights of man that have always accompanied Marxists in the establishment of their dictatorships throughout modern history.
A snap general election needs a 2/3 commons majority for it to be called.
Parliament rises on July 24.
Will Teresa May throw caution to the wind and call another snap election, going to the country and campaigning on the choice between a well structured Brexit with a sound financial future and a coherent self defence programme or the alternative, the administrations of McDonnell and Corbyn with their £250 billion loan schemes with the inevitable bankruptcy of today's enthusiastic university students by the time they hit their thirties, the takeover of British defence policy by the Russians and the mass migration of industry in Britain whose CEOs, based in Germany, Japan and other countries, do not find it amusing to be addressed as Comrades by the shadow chancellor as he tells them he will raise corporation tax by 7%, to start with, as he did a couple of days ago in London.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 08:38
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There would appear very little point in calling a new election. All available data seems to suggest that the result would be some variant of the 2017 one. i.e. A hung parliament.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 08:52
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All available data seems to suggest that the result would be some variant of the 2017 one. i.e. A hung parliament.
That will be the opinion polls that forecast the results of the last one?
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 11:31
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Windrush: Alan Johnson says landing cards decision was made in 2009 - BBC News

Apparently Corbyn was "misled"......
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 12:35
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
That will be the opinion polls that forecast the results of the last one?
The final polling wasn't far out. What happened in 2017 is the Tories started with a double digit lead that was whittled away throughout the campaign largely through their inept campaign strategy, especially Mrs May's perceived running away from debates and hopeless interviews like Fieldofwheatgate.
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Old 20th Apr 2018, 22:19
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Andy S: Perhaps you should have read my post #14388?
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 04:58
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The lighter side of politics .....caution... contains aviation content

For anybody who may have been confused over the years, thankfully, the Beeb can now reveal the correct location of Halton. Either that, or it's been stealthily relocated in recent years.

True, there is a Halton in Chesh Ear ( Beeb speak for Cheshire ) but it's not quite as leafy as the pastures surrounding Wendover....

Call to save military airfields from closure - BBC News
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 09:26
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Andy S: Perhaps you should have read my post #14388?
I did, but I can't see how it makes any difference. I appreciate PMQ's is little more than a bit of political theatre, but if you're going to try and ambush the Prime Minister then you need to make sure you're on firm ground yourself......
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 13:37
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So that's OK.

The arrival records for tens of thousands of immigrants from the Windrush generation have been found in the National Archives.
The find strengthens the cases for those trying to prove they are British citizens who were being told they had to leave the UK.
The ledger was found after an investigation by the Financial Times.
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Old 21st Apr 2018, 13:49
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Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
The arrival records for tens of thousands of immigrants from the Windrush generation have been found in the National Archives.
The find strengthens the cases for those trying to prove they are British citizens who were being told they had to leave the UK.
The ledger was found after an investigation by the Financial Times.
So, how come the FT can do a search and find all these records, but the bloody Home Office seemingly can't?

The incompetence of central government seems to just get worse with every passing year.
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