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Old 15th Mar 2018, 08:05
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From todayís Grauniad - the most left-wing and Corbyn supporting if the UK MSM.......

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-jeremy-corbyn
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 08:45
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I see the Magic Money tree is thriving and indeed fruiting.
One Russian spy is attacked with a nerve agent and, instantly, the government that can't find the money to properly pay public servants finds £48M to fund a new lab at Porton Down. Marvellous!
Of course, it is possible the money didn't come from the Money Tree, perhaps it was found down the back of the sofa.
Whatever. The Russian is not actually dead. An average of around 500 people are murdered in this country annually (source ONS) but there is no funding available to bolster the police forces!
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 09:26
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Kelvin - it is not the murder per se that is the problem - it is the indiscriminate way it was carried out,with no thought to anybody close by and the attending emergency services.
The Russians have 'form' for this sort of extremely public attack - as you well know.
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Old 15th Mar 2018, 10:02
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I canít help be suspicious that the money announced for Porton Down is money that was Lready in their budget for maintenance and works services anyway.......
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 07:29
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During a period of "sod all to do" yesterday, I watched Parliament on the BBC channel and there was a debate on a Bill covering the treatment of refugees. For quite some time, an MP gave a speech banging on in opposition to the Bill. The tone of his speech verged on the racist (without quite going there) and vehemently anti immigrant and anti refugee. The name of this MP caught my attention; Ranil Jayawardena. Born in UK with a Sri Lankan father and Indian mother. To cap my surprise at what I was watching, it was amazing to see him being slapped down by none other than Anna Soubry. Both MPs belong to the same party!
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 07:50
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
I can’t help be suspicious that the money announced for Porton Down is money that was Lready in their budget for maintenance and works services anyway.......
Yes, there was already a budget item for the new lab and refurbishment work back when I retired in over 6 years ago!

This is just a bit of political grandstanding, to try and make the public believe the government are taking "swift" action. If they hadn't imposed restraints on spending the work would be completed by now.

Last edited by VP959; 17th Mar 2018 at 15:58. Reason: Edited for poor grammar, in the light of ORAC's comment
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 09:40
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I think that was what I said....
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 10:27
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
I see the Magic Money tree is thriving and indeed fruiting.
One Russian spy is attacked with a nerve agent and, instantly, the government that can't find the money to properly pay public servants finds £48M to fund a new lab at Porton Down. Marvellous!
Of course, it is possible the money didn't come from the Money Tree, perhaps it was found down the back of the sofa.
Whatever. The Russian is not actually dead. An average of around 500 people are murdered in this country annually (source ONS) but there is no funding available to bolster the police forces!
You seem to be trying to minimise this attack on the UK by a foreign country.

TWO Russians are "not actually dead", but they are on intensive life support and apparently showing no signs of recovery. And a police officer has suffered significant injury.

There is no equivalence whatever with murders carried out by one citizen on another.

Now another Putin critic has been murdered, which is either a very extreme coincidence or a deliberate provocation.

[Edited to remove offending remark]

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Old 17th Mar 2018, 13:34
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Sally, I'm a little surprised at that last remark. I have always regarded you as being pretty careful in the casting of wild allegations. People seem to be getting extremely worked up in fits of Putinphobia, far more so than over the subject that dare not speak it's name.

I just want to see sanity return, not these wild allegations followed by hasty unthought through responses and remarks like those made by the stupid boy in charge of Defence.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 14:15
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Personally speaking, I think Sally is right on the money. Not necessarily in the case of Kelvin, whose views I believe are anti-Conservative rather than pro-Kremlin. But there are several PPRuNe contributors who have exhibited very strong, clear and unashamed pro-Russian sympathies and have consistently endorsed the Kremlin line on this and other issues.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 15:56
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
I think that was what I said....
Sorry, bad grammar on my part, I've just re-read it and shouldn't have put the "No" in front, but a "Yes"! I'll edit it.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 12:18
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Sallyann: I would second the reply made by Effluent Man to your post. I am not pro-Russian (very much an Anglophile, in fact). I am very strongly in favour of fair play and we are not seeing a great deal of that at the moment.
To go back to my remark re "not actually dead"; let's take the pessimistic view and assume they will die (I hope we see them recover). My remark then converts to "2 people murdered vs 500 others murdered annually" and the thrust of my argument remains.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 21:24
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Andrew Neil on JC is worth a watch if you didn't see it.
Yes, and at the end Neil makes the point about Russian contributions to the Tory party.

Here's the Times
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/t...nors-glp2bl7cm

Russian oligarchs and their associates have registered donations of more than £820,000 to the Conservative Party since Theresa May became prime minister, The Sunday Times can reveal.
I wonder how long before the pro-Russia comments are heard again from the UK's right?
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 10:27
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Sallyann: I would second the reply made by Effluent Man to your post. I am not pro-Russian (very much an Anglophile, in fact). I am very strongly in favour of fair play and we are not seeing a great deal of that at the moment.
To go back to my remark re "not actually dead"; let's take the pessimistic view and assume they will die (I hope we see them recover). My remark then converts to "2 people murdered vs 500 others murdered annually" and the thrust of my argument remains.
I apologise for the offending remark, and have removed it. Of course you are not posting on behalf of the Kremlin.

But I cannot accept your assertion that a very public chemical attack within this country by a foreign power is diminished in importance because the number of victims is fewer than the domestic murder rate.
It is an entirely different, politically sensitive matter and cannot be rated in importance simply by arithmetic.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 18:14
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Sallyann: I am afraid you are still not understanding me. My point is not meant to be to diminish in the importance the attack in Salisbury. It is to contrast how the government can not find funds for the police when something like 10 people per week are murdered, yet £48M is suddenly, almost magically, available for Porton Down after a single attack on 2 people.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 19:26
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yet £48M is suddenly, almost magically, available for Porton Down after a single attack on 2 people.
I hear that that is simply fake news - the plans for Porton Down have been in the works for some time.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 21:04
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I hear that that is simply fake news - the plans for Porton Down have been in the works for some time.
Probably was but it didn't help that the Government announced it as if it were new funding they just came up with... pure spin.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 22:52
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Bye bye UKIP?
UKIP has been ordered to pay £175K legal costs with regard to a defamation case brought against the party last year.
UKIP ordered to pay Labour MPs £175,000 in damages - BBC News
UKIP have recently issued an appeal for cash, saying they need £100K before the end of March. Presumably, this latest blow will drain their coffers for once and for all.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 22:55
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Sallyann: I am afraid you are still not understanding me. My point is not meant to be to diminish in the importance the attack in Salisbury. It is to contrast how the government can not find funds for the police when something like 10 people per week are murdered, yet £48M is suddenly, almost magically, available for Porton Down after a single attack on 2 people.
Nope, you're wrong. The plans date back several years.
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Old 20th Mar 2018, 06:17
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Bye bye UKIP?
UKIP has been ordered to pay £175K legal costs with regard to a defamation case brought against the party last year.
UKIP ordered to pay Labour MPs £175,000 in damages - BBC News
UKIP have recently issued an appeal for cash, saying they need £100K before the end of March. Presumably, this latest blow will drain their coffers for once and for all.
Wot ! No, never ! How can this sorry state of affairs have gotten to this stage !

After all, the JB political cognoscenti did proclaim this was the party of the future, the party to represent the silent majority of the population who dare not speak their concerns for fear of ridicule.

And shurely, in the death throes, a donation from the Divine Saviour himself would not go amiss....along with some generous donations from the faithful on here.

But, fear ye not, because, under the inspirational leadership of the last ( nominal, or token, at best ) leader, " UKIP 2" or " UKIP....The Sequel" or "UKIP...The Trough of Despair" will emerge, Phoenix like from the ashes ....well maybe more Icarus than Phoenix given his unfortunate catastrophic structural failure which would be a more realistic vision of this truly omnipotent political force for the future.

Please note, I have consciously not been disparaging towards UKIP members by suggesting the new party be named "Nutters and Fruitloops R Uz " or " Bigots United in Adversity "

For the moment though, in keeping with the great JB tradition of sending condolences to the deceased's relatives, please accept my heartfelt sympathies at your recent, well OK, maybe a shade premature, loss......chaps.

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