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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 12:51
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
It's good to see that the Food Standards Agency is inspecting UK abbatoirs and bringing these failures to light.

Will they be able to inspect US abbatoirs in the same way? Will they rely on promises that the chlorine washing has been done correctly?

Why would you expect the Food Standards Agency to inspect US abattoirs - they dont currently inspect premises in any other EU (or non-EU) country that supply the UK with food.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 12:56
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Overview on current practices of meat inspection in the EU - Alban - 2011 - EFSA Supporting Publications - Wiley Online Library

Extracts from above:

State of the art of the meat inspection in six exporting countries outside the EU (Australia, Canada, Japan, New Zealand, Norway and USA) was investigated via a questionnaire identical to the one that used for the EU member states. A similar picture as for the EU member states was seen for these countries.
Chapter 4 covers non EU countries:

The large exporting countries Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Norway, Japan and USA were contacted and asked for information about current practices for meat inspection by use of Table 1, 2, 3 and 4 in Appendix C – similar to what was sent out to EU member states. Only
Australia, Canada and Norway responded. In Japan, the Danish Embassy in Tokyo kindly provided the information. The information from New Zealand and the USA was obtained through relevant home pages.
Last part of Chapter 4, I suppose the UK could continue to apply this under our legislation:

The testing of residues follows the EU legislation if the meat is meant for export to the EU. Moreover there is a targeted residue testing in place according to 9 CFR 309.16 and 310.21 where suspected animals are tested.
A few items on food safety/poisoning:

WHO | Food safety

https://euobserver.com/tickers/140264

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/80...Health-England

https://www.cdc.gov/foodborneburden/...estimates.html

https://www.cdc.gov/foodborneburden/...1998-2008.html

A lot of the issues appear to be caused by the end user, rather than the methods taken to get it to them via the production to sale point.

I think I have supplied this before as chickens crop up now and again:

https://fullfact.org/europe/does-eu-...nsed-chlorine/
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 13:19
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Apologies, I think I might have added to the danger that this thread will go the way of another recently, although I think it is still on topic, as it is relevant to UK politics, though some might not agree.
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 15:17
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
Apologies, I think I might have added to the danger that this thread will go the way of another recently, although I think it is still on topic, as it is relevant to UK politics, though some might not agree.
Like you, I don't wish to veer into 'the other place', so I am commenting only on what might happen if we end up importing food from the US, where they use hormones and chemical treatments not currently permitted in the UK. They are listed here.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...food-risk-list

I'll leave it there!
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Old 22nd Feb 2018, 19:45
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Originally Posted by Highway1 View Post
Who would want to buy the NHS?
Those same guys who are in the antiques market always on the look out for second hand politicians.
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Old 24th Feb 2018, 06:11
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Old 24th Feb 2018, 06:24
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Interesting. But what does it mean?
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Old 24th Feb 2018, 07:33
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From "The office for National Statistics"

2. Statistician’s comment
“Today’s figures show that 244,000 more people are coming to the UK than leaving so net migration is adding to the UK population and is at a similar level to early 2014.

“Looking at the underlying numbers we can see that EU net migration has fallen as fewer EU citizens are arriving, especially those coming to look for work in the UK, and the number leaving has risen. It has now returned to the level seen in 2012.

“The figures also show that non-EU net migration is now larger than EU net migration, mainly due to the large decrease in EU net migration over the last year. However, migration of both non-EU and EU citizens are still adding to the UK population.

“Brexit could well be a factor in people's decision to move to or from the UK, but people’s decision to migrate is complicated and can be influenced by lots of different resons."
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Old 25th Feb 2018, 09:03
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Originally Posted by _Ace_Rimmer_ View Post
Did you even read the bit about the changes being statistically insignificant? (something one could work out for oneself)
As in the now closed brexit thread you seem to be here for the sole purpose of making digs at the British.
Stopp the babbling, would you please?
I answered a question of ORAC with the appropriate explanation directly coppied from the same reference ORAC used. I just pointed her to the answer of her question without having commented on these official statistics.

For your benefit, here is the link.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...t/february2018

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Old 28th Feb 2018, 08:14
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Agree with regards posts and trying to avoid getting this thread locked, or more posts deleted, in all fairness this thread and the other are inextricably linked.

With regards the government, I think that despite differing views on the subject, any talk of elections before the next one is due would be counter productive and a waste of money, and I don't think the Conservatives, even the 'rebels', have a death wish and want to risk letting Labour in, which would be an unmitigated disaster for the UK, and probably Europe.

May is now ahead of Corbyn on rating polls, so I think sticking it out with the current lot would be better for the country, if they can stop squabbling amongst themselves and get on with running the country.

YouGov poll finds May still ahead of Corbyn on PM ratings | Daily Mail Online
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 08:25
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
Agree with regards posts and trying to avoid getting this thread locked, or more posts deleted, in all fairness this thread and the other are inextricably linked.

With regards the government, I think that despite differing views on the subject, any talk of elections before the next one is due would be counter productive and a waste of money, and I don't think the Conservatives, even the 'rebels', have a death wish and want to risk letting Labour in, which would be an unmitigated disaster for the UK, and probably Europe.

May is now ahead of Corbyn on rating polls, so I think sticking it out with the current lot would be better for the country, if they can stop squabbling amongst themselves and get on with running the country.

YouGov poll finds May still ahead of Corbyn on PM ratings | Daily Mail Online
I agree with you, the very last thing that the UK needs is another election - and not because that silly woman in Bristol says "oh lord, not another one" but because it would result in paralysis in the Brexit negotiations at a time when we need continuity. But the problems I highlighted are seemingly intractable, despite Boris Johnson's fanciful ideas on running the Irish border as though it is nothing more than the London Congestion Charge!

A lot will depend on how conciliatory Theresa May chooses to be in her speech on Friday, and I suppose how much the EU wants to keep Theresa May at the helm from the point of view of finalising negotiations.

I would really like to see May come down on one side or the other in cabinet and tell the half she upsets to "put up or shut up". Sadly she isn't that brave or decisive. It would be better for the country were.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 08:32
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Unfortunately if she tells the wrong half to 'put up and shut up' we would still be where we are now, as you well know from the other thread which side is more vocal and cannot accept that which they don't like, blimey this is getting hard deciding what might upset someone and lock the thread, maybe better to do what I did before and give it up as a bad job.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 08:49
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
and not because that silly woman in Bristol says "oh lord, not another one"
What was it about her spot-on statement that makes her silly?

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Old 28th Feb 2018, 08:59
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
What was it about her spot-on statement that makes her silly?

CG
She was entitled to her opinion of course, however elections and referenda are too important to be dismissed in such a casual way.

I would welcome another election but I doubt I'd go as far as to react in that way.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 09:13
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Meanwhile..

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...ndation-widget
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 09:17
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Originally Posted by NutLoose View Post
Why am I surprised since, in the eyes of the media all men are now assumed as being abusers / rapists until proven otherwise - or that's how it appears!
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 09:35
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Simples as the Russian meercats say (mind you they are Russian) just have another referendum like any sensible country does. We know the real issues now so do we go ahead or dont we./

Of course the traitors who have come this far with brexit are petrified that they will lose a second vote so its not that likely.
personally if I was Theresa i would get in my armoured Indian limousine drive down the road to lLzzies house and call Boris on the mobile and say you have ten seconds to agree to a second referendum or I sack you and Gove and Davis and fox .

As he will likely say no I would go and tell the Queen I am calling a general election for 5 weeks time. Cannot be rescinded

No going back from there-if she wins she does what she likes if she loses then no Brexit but Boris and co would have got rid of her anyway. This way they are all f--ked too and I wouldnt blame her one bit. I am sure she knows now what John Major meant about bastards in the Tory party
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 09:43
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I am sure she knows now what John Major meant about bastards in the Tory party
I'm sure she does, and those bastards sit on both sides of the divide. Labour used to be the dysfunctional party, but they no longer have exclusive rights to that epithet.
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 09:56
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With the previous link on Labour, and then these below, one wonders why on earth anyone would vote for them and want them running the country:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sent-to-corbyn

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-privatisation

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ion-with-unite

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...prime-minister

I realise this will produce similar links regarding the Conservatives being no different but that is UK political discussions for you
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Old 28th Feb 2018, 10:22
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
With the previous link on Labour, and then these below, one wonders why on earth anyone would vote for them and want them running the country:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sent-to-corbyn

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-privatisation

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ion-with-unite

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...prime-minister

I realise this will produce similar links regarding the Conservatives being no different but that is UK political discussions for you
I think the answer is that so many of the electorate have never lived under a Labour government any more left wing / dysfunctional than the Blair / Brown era they would be "prepared to give them a chance".

As the demographic of this forum tends to be older, and predominantly to the right of centre, we probably don't "get" that.
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