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Old 4th Feb 2018, 14:54
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[QUOTE=Andy_S;10041761]I understand that the ringleader of the protesters became involved in fisticuffs with another student and JRM intervened.

Without having been there to see exactly who threw the first punch, whether there was any security etc etc I won't rush to pass judgement, but it seems a bit unfair to criticise him just for trying to break up a scuffle.

As to being the architect of his own misfortunes, surely it wasn't JRM's fault that a properly convened meeting that he was invited to address was gatecrashed by a bunch of red facists?[/QUOTE]

Astute readers will note this priceless offering of contradiction above.....
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 14:55
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
Without having been there to see exactly who threw the first punch
The video is quite clear - the first punch (to a woman's face) was throw by a JRM minder.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 14:58
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Minder or supporter or some bloke who likes to clout people? They aren't all the same.

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Old 4th Feb 2018, 15:07
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Astute readers will note this priceless offering of contradiction above.....
There is no contradiction. You are referencing two separate (albeit related) incidents.

I refused to pass judgement on who started the physical altercation in which Rees Mogg intervened, i.e. I didn't rule out the possibility that it may have been one of JRM's party. You see, unlike you I'm capable of objectivity.

Obviously the punch up stemmed from Labour supporting activists disrupting the meeting. Which I am happy to pass judgement on since it's undeniable.
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
Minder or supporter or some bloke who likes to clout people? They aren't all the same.
Apparently he is in the background of pictures of JRM at other events, and at least one journo claims to have the name.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 15:14
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
There is no contradiction. You are referencing two separate (albeit related) incidents.

I refused to pass judgement on who started the physical altercation in which Rees Mogg intervened, i.e. I didn't rule out the possibility that it may have been one of JRM's party. You see, unlike you I'm capable of objectivity.

Obviously the punch up stemmed from Labour supporting activists disrupting the meeting. Which I am happy to pass judgement on since it's undeniable.
Right...got it.....but there was no real need for a reprise. You have of course got proof, although this would probably confuse Avon and Somerset's "less than finest " if you have, that it was Labour supporters who disrupted the meeting bearing in mind JRM has several trenchant views which have upset several other demographics.

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Old 4th Feb 2018, 15:36
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OK, now looks like the thug might have been an unofficial JRM groupie rather than actually one of his team:

https://skwawkbox.org/2018/02/04/whi...artial-artist/
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 16:52
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“Right,got it...”. So now it’s all the fault of JRM and his audience for having their meeting invaded by a gang of masked thugs ? We can at least be grateful to “Bristol anti-fascists” for showing modern socialism in it’s true unsavoury colours. And not least its’ apologists here on this forum who, let’s note, have not a breath of condemnation for them.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 17:06
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
So now it’s all the fault ... it’s true unsavoury colours. ... its’ apologists
Brexiteers not knowing primary school English is hardly news, but its' is a new one on me. (Yes I do know that (just) one of those is actually correct.)
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 17:09
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“Right,got it...”. So now it’s all the fault of JRM and his audience for having their meeting invaded by a gang of masked thugs ? We can at least be grateful to “Bristol anti-fascists” for showing modern socialism in it’s true unsavoury colours. And not least its’ apologists here on this forum who, let’s note, have not a breath of condemnation for them.
Of course not. They never have and they never will. Even when Stalin was murdering millions in the Ukraine they kept quiet. When Mao did the same in China, they kept quiet. And Pol Pot in Cambodia. And over the wreckage that is modern Venezuela. They have a fine record. At least they’re consistent. Consistently despicable.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 17:54
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Here we go, Gertrude. True colours time. A whole post on an apostrophe but not a word on the gang of masked “anti-fascists” using the same thuggery as 1930’s Nazi brown-shirts.
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Here we go, Gertrude. True colours time. A whole post on an apostrophe but not a word on the gang of masked “anti-fascists” using the same thuggery as 1930’s Nazi brown-shirts.
The thuggery, to repeat, was the JRM groupie who punched the woman in the face. I'm not saying other people didn't then join in the violence to protect her, but the JRM thug started it. Nazi fascist style - if you don't want to listen quietly to the Furher, you get thumped.

And no, it wasn't "a whole post on an apostrophe" - obviously counting up to two is as challenging for some people as primary school grammar.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 20:12
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Who invited antifa morons into the room?

No-one.

Thought not.

One could say if you want to stop others listening to someone you get thumped too. That was no punch anyway, it was a gentle push. If it had been a punch she'd have been floored and had a broken nose.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 20:41
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Originally Posted by Wingswinger View Post
One could say if you want to stop others listening to someone you get thumped too.
A violent response to a peaceful (if noisy) political protest has no place in our society (quite apart from violence being "the last refuge of the incompetent"). Whether from left or, as on this occasion, from right.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 20:46
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
The thuggery, to repeat, was the JRM groupie who punched the woman in the face. I'm not saying other people didn't then join in the violence to protect her, but the JRM thug started it. Nazi fascist style - if you don't want to listen quietly to the Furher, you get thumped.
Can you point to exactly when he punches her? I've looked at both video clips a number of times. In the first all I can see is pushing and shoving. In the second he appears to push her face away (I did hear that she spat at him, if so possibly just before that point?), tall prat in sunglasses then tries to punch him and white sweater's left hand goes up, past the girl's face and close to tall prat's nose but she does appear to collect his elbow under her chin at that point.
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I'd save your breath, treadigraph; clearly JRM and his audience were totally at fault for expecting to conduct a political debate without being shouted down by balaclava-clad storm troopers in what Gertrude laughably calls "peaceful protest". If it's any consolation, this is mild stuff compared with what non-Momentum Labour members have been subjected to. At least we know what Mr Corbyn meant by "kinder gentler politics".
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 21:46
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Originally Posted by ShotOne View Post
balaclava-clad storm troopers
I now read suggestions that actually they too were JRM staffers and the whole scene (possibly apart from the woman who got in the way and got her face punched) was staged for the cameras.

If that turns out to be true I'll laugh my head off, but for now I'm regarding it as probably a conspiracy theory too far.
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"..I'm regarding it as a conspiracy theory too far". As is everyone else.

So, a mendacious rewriting of events didn't work. Nor did blame-the-victim. Now it's repeating (starting?) an uttterly bonkers conspiracy theory. Oh dear, wombat, clutching at straws aren't we?
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I identified Breitbart News as an unreliable source two years ago, but the opening sentence of this piece in support of Rees - Mogg is a
masterpiece of biased reporting. Why is an American rag that represents the far-right, taking an active interest in a Tory backbencher.

“Group”
“Masked”
“Alt-left”
“Extremists”
“Confrontation”
“Escalated”
“Violence”

The horror. The Horror. But what are we to make of an exchange of views that did not escalate until White Shirt Man instigated a scuffle.
Breitbart provides the answer in that same opening sentence:

“…attempted to shut down a speech by Tory leadership favourite Jacob Rees Mogg …”

Quite.

When Mr Rees - Mogg marched up the aisle to engage with “alt-left extremists”, which news agency employs the cameraman who was
conveniently on hand to capture the moment. Was it (a) the BBC (B) CNN or (C) Breitbart.

In the intro to their video exclusive Breitbart also described the alt-left extremists as “Violent”. This is the moment to pause & rewind the
evidence tape. There was a time when white shirt man would have been held accountable. It is a poor reflection on the current state of
politics in the UK when an agitator is free to threaten members of the public at a meeting attended by a "favourite" for the Tory Leadership.
That is how far the country has fallen in two years.

Watch: Violent Alt-Left Antifa Extremists Try To Shut Down Jacob Rees-Mogg Speech

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Old 5th Feb 2018, 08:47
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I only just bothered to view the video.it is clear that JRM was exchanging somewhat boisterous but peaceable opinions with the yobbos at the back until the chap in the white shirt appears, then it all kicks off. 6 v Half a dozen.
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