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Old 1st Feb 2018, 15:20
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yellowtriumph: All very well but the pension trustees had been pressing Carillion to stump up extra millions as far back as 2008. Yet, Carillion managed to convince the trustees that the cash would be better spent propping up a declining cash flow. I think I heard the chairman of the trustees saying he wished he had acted more forcefully. Meanwhile, while citing cash flow constraints for the reason not to pay what they owed to the pension fund, Carillion were paying out some huge dividends, top salaries and bonuses etc. In my view they lied that they were unable to pay their dues to the pension fund and then used the cash that this freed up to pay themselves. Theft by another means.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 16:17
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Three migrants taken to hospital after being wounded by gunfire in a shootout between Eritreans and Afghans at Calais this afternoon. Apparently it was due to a disagreement over food. Just think how pissed off they are going to be if they get to the UK only to find there are no houses for them!

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Old 1st Feb 2018, 16:38
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Probably arguing about how to cook the Steak Tartare or a dispute over the recipe for Thermidor sauce.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 16:49
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
yellowtriumph: All very well but the pension trustees had been pressing Carillion to stump up extra millions as far back as 2008. Yet, Carillion managed to convince the trustees that the cash would be better spent propping up a declining cash flow. I think I heard the chairman of the trustees saying he wished he had acted more forcefully. Meanwhile, while citing cash flow constraints for the reason not to pay what they owed to the pension fund, Carillion were paying out some huge dividends, top salaries and bonuses etc. In my view they lied that they were unable to pay their dues to the pension fund and then used the cash that this freed up to pay themselves. Theft by another means.
I can assure you the trustees would not have completely relied on the input from the Carillion board over the financial position of the company and its future prospects, especially as they had detected a deteriorating position. Frank Field has made some astute comments on the matter with regard to the trustees and the regulator. I understand the points you make and why you make them and we are certainly not going to fall out over it I can assure you. It will be worrying for the scheme members as they are the innocents in all this.
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 08:40
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Where is Boris?

Did TM oust Boris from her trip to China? - ie was it Boris's trip that she decided to go herself instead?
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 10:22
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22 injured, 5 with gunshot wounds, 4 of which seriously injured.....2 policemen also slightly injured.

https://www.francetvinfo.fr/monde/eu...e_2590480.html

Looking at TV just now some local politicians have been quick to blame not just the refugees but certain external groups such as "No Border" for stirring things up.....
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 07:23
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Corbyns masked thugs showing the true core of his support. Has he condemned the incident yet?

Scuffle at Rees-Mogg student event at UWE Bristol - BBC News

As a father of six, JRM will be used to dealing with squabbling children.
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 08:01
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Corbyns masked thugs showing the true core of his support. Has he condemned the incident yet?

Scuffle at Rees-Mogg student event at UWE Bristol - BBC News

As a father of six, JRM will be used to dealing with squabbling children.
Siti old boy !....just a rather trivial point of order here.

Where does it say in that report, and another in the Guardian, that the protesters were in anyway connected with Labour or even Corbyn. ?......it doesn't and thus your fervent wishes for this to be the case don't actually constitute incontrovertible proof. Sorry about that.

Mind you, JRM is often promoted as a potential leader of the Tory party and, as you say, he's used to dealing with squabbling children.....so he would have no problems in this respect.

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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 09:24
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JRM (the minister for the 19th century) was, to some extent, the architect of his own downfall here by leaving the platform to discuss their haranguing. No excuse for their behaviour though. And no reason to blame Corbyn who would presumably be happy to see internal squabbling in the Tory party.
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 09:26
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Multiple eyewitnesses say the hooded protester who went nose-to-nose with Jacob Rees-Mogg tonight is a Corbynista, Momentum and Labour supporter. The word on campus is that the hatted protester with red sunglasses seen berating the Mogg in the above video is Josh Connor, a former student at the University of the West of England, where tonight’s disruption took place. Connor was described by eyewitnesses as the protester who was “most vocal and stayed longest.” His social media – swiftly made private late last night – tells the usual story…
https://order-order.com/2018/02/02/r...#disqus_thread

Labour to hold a Corbyn "festival".

Labour to hold 'Jeremy Corbyn festival' - BBC News

Back in the 30's they called them "rallies".
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 12:12
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post

Mind you, JRM is often promoted as a potential leader of the Tory party and, as you say, he's used to dealing with squabbling children.....so he would have no problems in this respect.
I say, old boy, he has a nanny to deal with that sort of thing!
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 12:21
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
JRM (the minister for the 19th century)
Says someone whose politics is derived from Das Kapital, a book written and published in...the 19th century!
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 18:20
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sitigeltfel: Re your stupid snide remark about Das Kapital, I resent that. It is baseless and a slur. I have never read Das Kapital and have no interest in doing so. My politics are derived from a long life time of experience and observation.
Now, withdraw your remark.
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 18:37
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sitigeltfel: Re your stupid snide remark about Das Kapital, I resent that. It is baseless and a slur. I have never read Das Kapital and have no interest in doing so. My politics are derived from a long life time of experience and observation.
Now, withdraw your remark.
Are your politics "Socialist"? If so, they are derived from the writings and theories of Marx and Engels. You don't have to have read it to be influenced by it.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 06:42
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Socialism, it can be argued, has its earliest roots in the Bible. How Marxist is that? I repeat, I am not a follower of Mark (which would make one a Marxist) nor any of his mates. I have already stated quite clearly in my previous post where my politics come from. So, I ask you again to withdraw your stupid remark. Or, as an alternative, admit your views are so right wing you can not bring yourself to admit you may have made a mistake.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 09:15
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Socialism, it can be argued, has its earliest roots in the Bible.
Yup, that bit about the disciples sharing out what they've got for the common good? - not just socialism, that, out-and-out communism. So Christians can't be right wing, so there are a lot of people confused as to whether they're Christian or whether they're right wing.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Yup, that bit about the disciples sharing out what they've got for the common good? - not just socialism, that, out-and-out communism. So Christians can't be right wing, so there are a lot of people confused as to whether they're Christian or whether they're right wing.
I'd be interested in Mr Rees-Mogg's view on that.
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Old 4th Feb 2018, 10:16
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If you can spare a moment amongst the sanctimony, Kelvin please explain why having his meeting invaded by a gang of socialist meat-head heavies made JRM “the architect of his own downfall”

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Old 4th Feb 2018, 13:41
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Shotone: Glad to oblige:
JRM (the minister for the 19th century) was, to some extent, the architect of his own downfall here by leaving the platform to discuss their haranguing.
Perhaps you missed that bit. On my part though, I don't remember getting sanctimonious so perhaps I am as daft as you.
PS. How do you know they were "socialist meatheads?"

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Old 4th Feb 2018, 14:42
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I understand that the ringleader of the protesters became involved in fisticuffs with another student and JRM intervened.

Without having been there to see exactly who threw the first punch, whether there was any security etc etc I won't rush to pass judgement, but it seems a bit unfair to criticise him just for trying to break up a scuffle.

As to being the architect of his own misfortunes, surely it wasn't JRM's fault that a properly convened meeting that he was invited to address was gatecrashed by a bunch of red facists?
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