Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Social > Jet Blast
Reload this Page >

UK politics - Hamsterwheel

Jet Blast Topics that don't fit the other forums. Rules of Engagement apply.

UK politics - Hamsterwheel

Old 30th Jan 2018, 17:32
  #13601 (permalink)  
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Peripatetic
Posts: 10,275
This should be fun to watch....

https://order-order.com/2018/01/30/l...-sues-lansman/

ORAC is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 06:02
  #13602 (permalink)  
Thought police antagonist
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Where I always have been...firmly in the real world
Posts: 943
Housing.....currently in vogue here on JB, thus we await the analysis from the faithful acolytes as to the benefits of privatisation and financial losses incurred as a result of such a venture....

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-audit-office
Krystal n chips is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 07:24
  #13603 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Clarty Waters, UK
Age: 54
Posts: 910
Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Money or no money; what is the difference (other than the numbers) Corbyn's statement and those from the retiree-in-waiting Mrs May? Hasn't she said more than a few times, that her government will build x thousand homes in the next couple of years? I don't recall the number now but it was considerably more than the 8,000 Corbyn said he would buy.
So, if Labour have no magic money tree, then where do the Tories get theirs from? The local garden centre? Hint to Corbyn; when you locate the Tory money tree, nick it!
You're comparing apples with oranges.

The thousands of homes that May has promised will be purchased by private owners. The thousands of homes that Corby is talking about will need to be paid for out of the public purse. There is no 'Tory money tree' to shake. (Not that I believe May's promises are any more credible than Corbyn's).
Andy_S is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 08:04
  #13604 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hampshire
Age: 72
Posts: 784
You're comparing apples with oranges.
I can see why you are saying that but I wouldn't agree. If Mrs May is promising to build tens of thousands of new homes and they are destined for house purchasers, where does that money come from? Every day there are stories in the news highlighting the difficulty potential purchasers are having scraping together the money needed.
Again, I invoke the magic money tree! To be fair though, all politicians indulge in massive hyperbole when it comes to money.
KelvinD is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 08:16
  #13605 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: The Luberon
Age: 68
Posts: 905
According to the lefties who staged a protest in the Churchill themed cafe a few days ago, the great man was a, "colonialist oppressor".

If that's the case, why have so many of the immigrants from the colonies named their children, "Winston"?
sitigeltfel is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 08:31
  #13606 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: London UK
Posts: 488
Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
I can see why you are saying that but I wouldn't agree. If Mrs May is promising to build tens of thousands of new homes and they are destined for house purchasers, where does that money come from? Every day there are stories in the news highlighting the difficulty potential purchasers are having scraping together the money needed.
Again, I invoke the magic money tree! To be fair though, all politicians indulge in massive hyperbole when it comes to money.
It's called supply and demand. Homes are expensive because there aren't enough of them.
Dr Jekyll is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 09:26
  #13607 (permalink)  
Thought police antagonist
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Where I always have been...firmly in the real world
Posts: 943
Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
The Guardian really does write some tosh.

It is saying



What they are saying is not that the MOD shouldn't have sold them off to a private firm, just that if they had waited until now to flog them off they would have got more. Hardly anti capitalist is it?

Then they tell us this



Really? You mean if you rent a property you have to actually keep it in good condition?

What this tells us is that these properties, the MOD has rented from a private company have been neglected in terms of maintenance and are currently being lived in whilst not in a suitable condition.

Having no incentive to actually make good financial decisions is just par for the course with government departments but not making sure service personnel are living in decent housing is a big failing on their part. I understand they have outsourced the maintenance but they should be overseeing it.

Overall, yes. A good article to highlight the lack of financial acumen and management of government run organisations.
Prophead......true to the cause as always there then.

However, when it comes to Gov't Dept's you seem to have missed that the one in question is no less than the M.o.D.

In case you missed it, said Department attracts consistent criticism, and not just on here and certainly on the Mil. forum, for its, how can I put this, "financial acumen" perhaps?

About the only thing they ever got right was the purchase of a certain well known and used can opener. Maybe you would suggest this organisation should thus be privatised. And don't forget Carillion in the costs by the way.

Which leads nicely the this.....

https://www.theguardian.com/business...profit-warning

Funnily enough, this is part of your idyllic private sector.

Missed this one earlier......UKIP ( again ) and another requirement for any potential leader. "not being entirely accurate " on the CV....but I'm sure Sandhurst will be delighted to learn the establishment is now providing Degrees.....but jolly bad form for an Army officer though what !

https://www.channel4.com/news/questi...qualifications

Last edited by Krystal n chips; 31st Jan 2018 at 09:46.
Krystal n chips is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 09:43
  #13608 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: England
Posts: 343
Anyone who reads the ad nauseam reports of Crapita on page 94 of Private Eye will have dumped their shares long ago.
There must be quite a few local Councils wondering how they will maintain their services if Capita does go under.
Sallyann1234 is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 11:22
  #13609 (permalink)  
Thought police antagonist
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Where I always have been...firmly in the real world
Posts: 943
Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
Whilst I support some forms of privatisation where it brings competition it needs to be overseen by a competent government department. This seems to be lacking in many cases.

I also do not suggest for one minute that all companies are run well. There are some very badly run ones as we are seeing. There are also many companies out there that are doing well and providing a good service. Listing the less competent ones in order to play to the socialist agenda is not exactly balanced reporting. This is why the Guardian is as bad as the Mail and is best just used for lining the rabbit hutch.

The beauty of privatisation means we can choose to use the good ones and not the bad ones. That really is the whole point. This does rely however on those overseeing the bidding and management of these contracts to know what they are about, be able to spot problems early and for politicians to be removed from that process as much as possible.
Oh quite......however, being a "Private Eye" reader, as mentioned above, the problems have been evident for some considerable time.....but remained in place.

Which rather negates your optimism and wishful thinking here.
Krystal n chips is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 11:51
  #13610 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Hanging off the end of a thread
Posts: 16,692
So here is a case of asset stripping

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/b...e-21st-century

Diplomats and consular staff at the UK Embassy in Bangkok will move to new premises by 2019, following the sale of the existing site for over £420 million
UK PLC is selling the Embassy in Bangkok... and moving into an office block. I always thought the grounds of an embassy were counted as British territory, so how does that work in an office block...

They are moving here, does not seem to be a secure location if you have offices around you.

AIA Sathorn Tower : OVERVIEW&LOCATION

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...sy-up-for-sale
NutLoose is online now  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 15:09
  #13611 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hampshire
Age: 72
Posts: 784
Once upon a time, the cost of an average house was a multiple of average annual earnings, say 2.5 to 3 times. Now it is in excess of 10 times. That isn't supply & demand, it is inflation.
KelvinD is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 16:56
  #13612 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Cambridge, England, EU
Posts: 3,437
Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Once upon a time, the cost of an average house was a multiple of average annual earnings, say 2.5 to 3 times. Now it is in excess of 10 times. That isn't supply & demand, it is inflation.
No, it's regulation. Once Upon A Time mortgages came only from building societies, who were only allowed to lend you three times earnings. Result: houses cost three times earnings.
Gertrude the Wombat is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 17:28
  #13613 (permalink)  
Está servira para distraerle.
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: In a perambulator.
Posts: 1
Meanwhile, Lord Michael Bates walks out of the House of Lords this afternoon, having been a few minutes too late arriving in the house to answer a question from Baroness Lister.
One must respect his decision and hope that his exemplary example is soon followed by lesser but more transgressing men and women on both chambers of parliament.
cavortingcheetah is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 17:30
  #13614 (permalink)  
Thought police antagonist
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Where I always have been...firmly in the real world
Posts: 943
Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
No, its supply & demand. If houses that cost 10x were not getting bought then they wouldn't stay at those prices.
Erm, no.

House prices: why are they so high?
Krystal n chips is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 18:32
  #13615 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: London UK
Posts: 488
Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Once upon a time, the cost of an average house was a multiple of average annual earnings, say 2.5 to 3 times. Now it is in excess of 10 times. That isn't supply & demand, it is inflation.
No, inflation pushes up both prices and earnings, that's kinda the definition.
Dr Jekyll is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 21:13
  #13616 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Mexico
Posts: 74
Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Once upon a time, the cost of an average house was a multiple of average annual earnings, say 2.5 to 3 times. Now it is in excess of 10 times. That isn't supply & demand, it is inflation.
We are building the same number of houses as we were 10 years ago but with 4 million extra people living in the country - competition for homes is greater so prices rise.
Highway1 is offline  
Old 31st Jan 2018, 21:23
  #13617 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Cambridge, England, EU
Posts: 3,437
Originally Posted by Highway1 View Post
We are building the same number of houses as we were 10 years ago but with 4 million extra people living in the country - competition for homes is greater so prices rise.
It's not just more people. Social change is a significant factor, with larger numbers of smaller households, and increasing divorce increases demand where both parents can afford bedrooms for their part-time children.
Gertrude the Wombat is offline  
Old 1st Feb 2018, 05:55
  #13618 (permalink)  
Thought police antagonist
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Where I always have been...firmly in the real world
Posts: 943
Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
What on earth is that site 'Positive Money'? It looks like it could be school project by Dianne Abbott.

So its nothing to do with supply & demand, it's all the fault of the banks for creating mortgages?

Erm, ok, except the banks are not buying properties themselves are they. They are lending to homebuyers which gives you the demand. Without the buyers there are no mortgages.

If people don't believe it is all down to supply and demand and they really want lower houseprices then they should just stop buying and see what happens.
We look forward to your forthcoming epic publication " A Beginners Guide to Alternative Economics " because you seem to be at the forefront here.

What you've missed is the UK obsession with house values and the influence of estate agents in supporting this obsession by helpfully suggesting another £xxxxx be added to the sale value.

Now, inspired leadership and those famed interpersonal skills on display in China.

If this was a satirical show, the performance with the school children would be worthy of an award...unfortunately, it's not....and then there's the perfect caption competion with the guard of honour. I know it's Chinese military protocol, but, the way their heads slowly turn to follow her does offer itself so very readily.

https://www.channel4.com/news/leader...-on-china-trip

Wonder if she'll ask to bring the model of No10 back with her.....as a reminder of where she once lived.
Krystal n chips is offline  
Old 1st Feb 2018, 06:22
  #13619 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hampshire
Age: 72
Posts: 784
In another example of how "privatisation is best", I heard a news item on the 16:00 news yesterday. Key Forensic Services, a company set up to profit from the government's misguided idea of privatising police forensic services has gone into administration. Government has provided them with the cash to complete forensic work currently in hand.
And how did Capita get so many government contracts? Some years ago they took over recruiting for the Armed Forces in the U.K. and made a complete balls of it and some time later admitted as such. Yet the contracts continued to roll in.
Re a comment I made some time ago re Carillion's treatment of their employees' pension fund, to the effect that Carillion had stolen the money in that fund: It seems they didn't steal it in the classical sense of "to steal". Now we find they effectively stole it by subterfuge, telling the pension fund trustees a series of sad stories, with vacuous promises of making up for missing payments etc.
KelvinD is offline  
Old 1st Feb 2018, 08:56
  #13620 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: KGRB, but on the road about 1/2 the time.
Age: 57
Posts: 610
Privatization is best for areas where making a profit leads to better lives for citizens, such as simple retail.

Government is best for areas where making a profit will interfere, and make things worse for citizens, such as Health Care, Defense, Infrastructure etc.

An example is the US Health Care system. The US is now paying 25% of their total Health Care costs to shuffle the paperwork around (because of for-profit insurance companies). Canada spends about 6% of their Total Health Care spending on paperwork.

It has gotten so bad that Buffett, Bezos and JPMorgan have decided to join forces to create their own not-for-profit Health Care system for their employees. Buffett says the the US needs a Government single-payer system to fix the system in the long run.
atpcliff is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.