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Old 20th Jan 2018, 13:49
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Jet II: The first PM to use PFI was a Mr. Major. John Major, that is.
And the population of Liverpool has been growing since 2000.
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 15:16
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There is nothing intrinsically wrong with PFI if it is used in a limited fashion, under sensible rules, where it is economically sensible - rather than as a methods to avoid financial controls imposed to ensure government fiscal prudence.

The problem when Labour took power was their election promise to adhere to the financial spending limits of the Conservatives and their reckless use of PFI to circumvent them.

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Old 20th Jan 2018, 15:21
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with PFI if it is used in a limited fashion, under sensible rules, where it is economically sensible - rather than as a methods to avoid financial controls imposed to ensure government fiscal prudence.
You can include student loans in that of course - the fair chunk of them that will never be repaid have been dishonestly temporarily moved off the public borrowing books, for our successors as taxpayers to worry about in 30 years' time.
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 16:08
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Depends how successful the government is in finding investors to buy them - think sub-prime mortgage derivatives......

Government begins plans to sell off billions of pounds worth of student debt to private companies | The Independent
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 18:30
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Quite simple really. There will be figures available for what percentage of the loans is likely to be repaid. All the "investor" will do is to factor in an annual percentage return and then buy the loans at a sufficient discount to provide that return.
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 20:02
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Quite simple really. There will be figures available for what percentage of the loans is likely to be repaid.
And when it turns out that the estimates are overoptimistic the private company will not simply make good on the risk they've accepted: oh no, it'll be to the public purse for a bail-out. So any such privatisation won't actually make a difference to what our grandchildren have to pay.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 07:00
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Jeremy Corbyn allies plot to oust 50 Labour MPs

Moderate Labour MPs have been warned that Corbyn’s allies want centrist candidates replaced with more left-leaning ones.

A Labour Party whip has been privately telling moderate MPs not to rock the boat or they could face deselection, amid fears that up to 50 will be targeted if rule changes are pushed through this autumn. Chris Leslie, the former shadow chancellor, and Hilary Benn, the former shadow foreign secretary, are believed to top the list. Angela Eagle, who challenged Corbyn for the leadership in 2016, and her sister Maria Eagle, the former shadow culture secretary, are also thought to be vulnerable.

“Allies of Corbyn have admitted they have a list of MPs they want to get rid of,” said a source......


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Old 21st Jan 2018, 09:05
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Morning ORAC....not bad, say 5/10 for effort there.

Anyway, when you are desperate, every cloud has a political silver lining which can be spun to the public.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-greedy-bosses

Of course, being the "party of the people " there was a similar much promoted fantasy about putting workers on company boards.....and we know how that quietly evaporated thereafter.

On the subject of imminent departures do UKIP actually have enough members ( Victorian erotica term ) to apply for the post ?

I like the bit about not wishing this had not all come out though....jolly inconvenient really what !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42764822

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Old 21st Jan 2018, 09:10
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Wot I don't get is why being a racist and/or having a racist girlfriend is a problem for a UKIP leader - I'd have thought it to be an essential qualification rather than a handicap.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 19:05
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I don't think that it was the racialist bit that was the problem. The vast majority of UKIP people will swoon at the thought of royalty, so a bit of a conflict of interest in what she said.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 19:17
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Poor kipper leader (y'know, this week's one, who hasn't been there long enough for me to bother to learn his name) - no more girlfriend, no more job, no more wife, no more baby ...

There is one winner from all this, though - the baby, who has had a narrow escape from being brought up by a kipper father.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 20:43
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But she/he has copped a rare old mammy.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 04:49
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A little requiem for UKIP ....


And, for dessert, here's last nights C4 News report on this enthralling saga....

https://www.channel4.com/news/ukip-l...onfidence-vote

Anyway. the faithful ( if there are any left that is ) can take heart at the prospect of.... "UKIP 2!"..or..".UKIP..The Sequel !" produced / directed by and starring ...guess who ?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...itical-project

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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 06:11
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Wot I don't get is why being a racist and/or having a racist girlfriend is a problem for a UKIP leader.
Corbyn is holding a rally in Loughborough in February. Coloured attendees will be charged £30, whites £40.
If you want racism, look no further.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 06:58
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People actually pay money to hear a politician lie?
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 09:10
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Corbyn is holding a rally in Loughborough in February. Coloured attendees will be charged £30, whites £40.
If you want racism, look no further.
I'm not entirely sure that you are allowed to say "Coloureds"... I think it's regarded as racialist.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 16:07
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Does anyone else find the term being used in today's news bulletins "UKIP Front Bench" faintly amusing?
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 16:08
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First was the comparison to...the Taliban ( nice thing to say about your own party ) and now, well, it's time for a bit of plagiarising c/o one D.Trump...

Defiant UKIP leader Henry Bolton aims to 'drain the swamp' - BBC News

On the other hand, if he intends to drain the swamp and remove the malcontents, then UKIP will be devoid of any members anyway.... so good luck with that aspiration and earning the gratitude of the UK population as a result.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 17:01
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Well at least the UKIP are demonstrating that holding a vote with the intention of changing the result of a previous vote is an acceptable course of action!
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 17:52
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UKIP served its purpose.

Then out spake brave Horatius,
The Captain of the gate:
“To every man upon this earth
Death cometh soon or late.
And how can man die better
Than facing fearful odds
For the ashes of his fathers
And the temples of his gods,

“And for the tender mother
Who dandled him to rest,
And for the wife who nurses
His baby at her breast,
And for the holy maidens
Who feed the eternal flame,—
To save them from false Sextus
That wrought the deed of shame?

“Hew down the bridge, Sir Consul,
With all the speed ye may;
I, with two more to help me,
Will hold the foe in play.
In yon strait path a thousand
May well be stopped by three:
Now who will stand on either hand,
And keep the bridge with me?”

Then out spake Spurius Lartius,—
A Ramnian proud was he:
“Lo, I will stand at thy right hand,
And keep the bridge with thee.”
And out spake strong Herminius,—
Of Titian blood was he:
“I will abide on thy left side,
And keep the bridge with thee.”

“Horatius,” quoth the Consul,
“As thou sayest so let it be,”
And straight against that great array
Went forth the dauntless three.
For Romans in Rome’s quarrel
Spared neither land nor gold,
Nor son nor wife, nor limb nor life,
In the brave days of old.

Then none was for a party—
Then all were for the state;
Then the great man helped the poor,
And the poor man loved the great;
Then lands were fairly portioned!
Then spoils were fairly sold:
The Romans were like brothers
In the brave days of old.....

And in the nights of winter,
When the cold north-winds blow,
And the long howling of the wolves
Is heard amidst the snow;
When round the lonely cottage
Roars loud the tempest’s din,
And the good logs of Algidus
Roar louder yet within;

When the oldest cask is opened,
And the largest lamp is lit;
When the chestnuts glow in the embers,
And the kid turns on the spit;
When young and old in circle
Around the firebrands close;
When the girls are weaving baskets,
And the lads are shaping bows;

When the goodman mends his armor,
And trims his helmet’s plume;
When the goodwife’s shuttle merrily
Goes flashing through the loom;
With weeping and with laughter
Still is the story told,
How well Horatius kept the bridge
In the brave days of old.
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