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Old 28th Nov 2017, 21:25
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 22:07
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
Well as the UK hasn't cleared its debt since about 1690 that seems a strange criteria(sic) to use
That would justify the Labour debt as well then.
The Tory budgets have promised to eliminate the Labour debt and have failed to do so. The figures are there to be seen.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 22:32
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Jet II: Criterion is the word you are seeking. Criteria is the plural form.
SFP: And it is about time you brushed up on your spelling and grammar too. As Effluent Man pointed out, the word you want is Tories.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 22:58
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
That would justify the Labour debt as well then.
The Tory budgets have promised to eliminate the Labour debt and have failed to do so. The figures are there to be seen.
Got a link to the Tory budgets claiming to eliminate the debt? - as far as I am aware nobody has suggested anything about paying down debt.
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Old 28th Nov 2017, 23:04
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Jet II: Criterion is the word you are seeking. Criteria is the plural form.
Well criticising other posters spelling and grammar used to be against the rules - it was considered trolling.

But anyway - as I dont know what criteria Sallyann was using and whether it was a single measurement or several I think I'll stick with criteria.



plural criteria play \krī-ˈtir-ē-ə also krə-\ also criterions

1 : a standard on which a judgment or decision may be based: the university's criteria for admission
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 03:59
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
That would justify the Labour debt as well then.
The Tory budgets have promised to eliminate the Labour debt and have failed to do so. The figures are there to be seen.
The problem is that most people don't understand the difference between debt and deficit. A debt is if you don't pay your wine merchant's bill on one occasion and leave an amount outstanding. A deficit is if you keep on drinking fine Claret month after month and hang the expense. The Tories promised to get rid if the deficit, they have nae.
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 05:20
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
Got a link to the Tory budgets claiming to eliminate the debt? - as far as I am aware nobody has suggested anything about paying down debt.
Funnily enough, other links have been thoughtfully been provided by me previously which would have saved you the effort of asking, here's another from a notoriously ultra-left wing publication.....

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/0...ooks-til-2026/



" And if you take a wee step back, disregard the little red rag to a bull my posts clearly do to you and have a little ponder with regards the ‘thrust’ of Mr Byrne’s supposed imaginary sardonic humour and the financial reality of today.

I have never once suggested the Tory’s are perfect however the reality is as plain as the nose on yours or my face. Labour bankrupted the country leaving the incoming coalition and subsequent governments with vat of cold sick to deal with and that is going to take years to put right."


That's very true, regarding the Tories being perfect.....multiple times, but certainly never once. Yet again however, the use of the emotive term "bankrupt " is used when in fact the UK was far from bankrupt, unless this link is incorrect as to the definition of the term ? This definition is taken from a book called a dictionary. You may have seen these books in the past and wondered what the content was....

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/bankrupt


And then there's latest " this will sound enticing even if it's not remotely feasible " offering for the faithful .....

https://www.theguardian.com/business...chris-grayling

A few minor inconveniences to be removed first....such as the fact many are now bridle / walkways ( not that many, if any, of JB's top of the range car owners would lower themselves to walking ) industrial estates being built and numerous housing developments also now in place. There again, given the approach to those affected by HS2, a quick compulsory purchase order can easily be served on the residents...

Always bemused when the decimation is referred to as the "Beeching Report "......although this does negate any blame being attached to Ernie of course given the "Marples Report" would be more definitive.

Ernie would ( and probably is) be adored by the faithful on here for his zeal in creating a motorway network leaving aside his role as Minister for Transport, so no conflicts of interests there then, at the time and what better way to get rid of the competition than to rip up the tracks and infrastructure the competition used.

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Interesting you should mention the Beeching thing. In the news this morning are reports that some of those lines done away with as a result of those cuts may be reinstated.
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Jet II: You stick with your definition, I shall go by the OED:
"Strictly speaking, the singular form (following the original Greek) is criterion and the plural form is criteria. It is a common mistake to use criteria as if it were a singular, as in a further criteria needs to be considered."
Or, just for balance, how about Merriam Webster: "criterion -noun. plural criteria".
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 06:34
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Please start another pedants thread if you want to go round the linguistics wgheel again.

It’s the datum/data; forum/fora argument again. English isn’t Latin, and the use and grammar for derived words evolves and changes in step changes as well as generations - the internet now being a prime engine of change.
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Please start another pedants thread if you want to go round the linguistics wgheel again.

Itís the datum/data; forum/fora argument again. English isnít Latin, and the use and grammar for derived words evolves and changes in step changes as well as generations - the internet now being a prime engine of change.
An the spellin ORAC, don't furget the spellin.....

Your own use of Latin also deserves a menshun.......
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When pedants can only mention spelling you know the rest of their argument has very little of substance to it.

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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Please start another pedants thread if you want to go round the linguistics wgheel again.

Itís the datum/data; forum/fora argument again. English isnít Latin, and the use and grammar for derived words evolves and changes in step changes as well as generations - the internet now being a prime engine of change.
And where do you stand on the current Tory's/Tories debate? Are you like Sffp in favour of free expression?
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 07:08
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I rest my case
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 07:18
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
I rest my case
Being unable to articulate a cogent response whenever contradictory evidence is offered, evidence which invariably negates and rebuts your politically and financially naÔve perceptions, would be more indicative of the fact you have never actually had a case.
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Oh the irony, and it was in the 'bible', fast becoming my go to source document
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 08:33
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
I rest my case
Not a great deal of point resting it when you haven't actually made one. Just don't be tempted to take up law as an occupation. You will have an awful lot of dissatisfied clients.
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 08:45
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Whilst the pedants 'debate' spelling and grammar/grammer outside in the real world Jezza's battle for Labour continues

Momentum v Progress and the battle for Labour - BBC News

The Momentum thugs giving the Progress folk a good seeing to it would seem.
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Old 29th Nov 2017, 09:46
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
Well criticising other posters spelling and grammar used to be against the rules - it was considered trolling.

But anyway - as I dont know what criteria Sallyann was using and whether it was a single measurement or several I think I'll stick with criteria.



plural criteria play \krī-ˈtir-ē-ə also krə-\ also criterions

1 : a standard on which a judgment or decision may be based: the university's criteria for admission
Very simple. In your original post you said "that criteria" which was definitely singular. Plural would have been "those criteria".

And again above, "what criteria" instead of "which" if you meant plural.
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A definite pattern is emerging here. Those in favour of Brexit are deficient in their use of English. Somewhat ironic in view of their oft stated aims of preserving our individuality as a nation. It also serves to fuel the theory of educational differences between the two camps.
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