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Old 20th Nov 2017, 06:06
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
I very strongly suspect that in such a case they'd be invited to piss off, as it is clear that the UK voters aren't ready (or perhaps aren't willing, wouldn't really like to guess which) to understand how coalitions work. I don't think I'd be voting "yes" again like I did in the special conference last time.
To be fair GTW, the Lib-Dems did the UK population a big favour when they formed the coalition, Dave said as much a couple of times when he scathingly mentioned something about "not being encumbered" ( or words to that effect ) when he scraped back into power because the Lib-Dems did at least negate what would have been far more damaging to the UK population policies being imposed than the Tories would have wished...not that the Tories didn't have some success in their draconian cuts.

Hammond follows a long tradition of Tories when it comes to the unemployed and their contempt for anybody else whom they view as a blot on their idyllic Tory landscape.... Lamont ( remember him ? ) said they were " a price worth paying" when it came to inflation, the late unlamented deceased, having reached the 3m figure in her zealous quest to repress society said something about "drooling and drivelling " and one I forget the name of said the homeless were those you stepped over when you left the opera, or theatre, can't recall the exact venue ( many hwah ! hwahs ! from the chaps I'm sure at this little quip ) ....but hey, that's the "caring" Tory party for you....oozing compassion like a supporating boil.

Here's a nice summation as to the forthcoming budget......

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...budget-cartoon
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 06:28
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It was George Young in 2006:
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 07:04
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
Jacob Rees-Mogg does a fairly good job of thinking before he speaks. His only problem is that most of the people he speak with are his intellectual inferiors and they know it.
His appointment as Tory leader would be greeted with the sort of applause that accompanied Corbyn's election as Labour leader by their opponents. The electorate don't like weird and JRM has that in spades. He deliberately cultivates that 1940's toff look. Good luck with that one charming the millennials.
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 07:47
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JRM: The candidate who took his Nanny on the stump! Wally, or what?
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 08:20
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
JRM: The candidate who took his Nanny on the stump! Wally, or what?
When you say, 'took', you mean....?

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Old 20th Nov 2017, 08:59
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Prophead, very true.
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 09:32
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
When are we going to just let the politicians get on with the job they have to do? It is getting beyond stupid now, people demanding someone be sacked for one comment that is reported out of context. Digging into past non illegal activities in their personal lives and using it to end a career.

For what it's worth I think JRM would be very good but the left know that and will destroy him first in the media. I think he knows that too.
If you are referring to Damian Green then the big mistake he made was in the denial when he knew it to be true. As for JRM I would imagine private pollsters and focus groups will already have told them that the one word the public in general would associate with him is "weird". Worse than Corbyn who comes over as a cuddly grandad. Not saying he is, just that is his image.
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 09:42
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Corbyn who comes over as a cuddly grandad. Not saying he is, just that is his image.
I have no desire to cuddle Corbyn.
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 10:09
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The funniest thing with this thread currently is reading the ‘left’ comments with regards their Leader.

The fact that to date there is a deafening silence with regards to the credibility of the Jezza, Dopey Di and John the Trot combo or the Money Tree or the ludicrous ‘We’re taking it all back’ nonsense or the Momentum Thuggery speaks absolute volumes.

The more folk ‘shout’ at the opposition whilst burying their heads in their own subject matter the funnier it gets.

Come on you guys and girls start the bigging up of Jezza and co.
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 10:36
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I can see how "Fake News" is started.

Hammond's quote has been taken out of context

He was very specifically answering a question about technology, self drive cars, putting people out of work. He answered that 20 years ago they said short hand typists would be unemployed due to computers and word processors. This is the context when he said there was no unemployed (referring to embracing technology).

I remember the same being said that computer would put people out of work, even talk of a 3 day week...... it never happened and I would argue people are working longer than ever as a direct result of technology.

He did also point out the unemployment is at its lowest for decades.

Many trust the BBC news but this is just gutter press reporting at best
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 11:59
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Bad news for Corbyn and Labour.

The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia has labelled Hamas a terrorist organisation. He also issued a Fatwa ordering them to stop killing Jews.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/24...-against-Hamas
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 13:41
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Originally Posted by BadgerGrowler View Post
I remember the same being said that computer would put people out of work, even talk of a 3 day week...... it never happened and I would argue people are working longer than ever as a direct result of technology.
I remember it being said that computers would lead to paperless offices...
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 13:50
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Mr Hammond’s cock-up was unfortunate for two reasons.

1. It gave Labour an opportunity to score cheap points by pretending that he really believes that there are no unemployed people in the country.

2. More seriously it enabled John McDonnell to get away with some quite breath-taking nonsense. Having claimed that a Labour Government would borrow only to fund investments and not for day-to-day spending, he was then asked how much it would cost to carry out his nationalisation plans. His answer was that it would cost nothing because they would compensate the owners by giving them bonds. Well as I understand it government bonds are just a form of government debt, so the issuing of bonds is borrowing. The only “investment” element that I can see in his privatisation plans is an investment in Marxist dogma.

He may of course have meant that the bonds would be issued not by the government, but by the companies which were being nationalised. In effect this would mean that the owners would be compensated using money borrowed from themselves. And to top it all off he stated that the government (not the markets) would decide how much the companies were worth. So the idea is that the Labour Government will decide how much your company is worth. They will then force you to sell the company, paying you for it using money which they have forced you to lend to them. Presumably the same tricks will be used when taking back the PFI contracts.

Although Andrew Marr jumped on Mr Hammond for his mistake, he made no attempt to challenge Mr McDonnell. Hmmmm, no bias there then!

Most lefties probably feel that all of this is justified on the basis that all company shareholders are fat-cats, smoking cigars while drinking champagne and gorging on pork bellies. But this ignores the fact that huge numbers of shares are owned by pension funds managing the stake-holder-pensions of ordinary working people. Labour’s nationalisation plans will not only destroy the companies for which these people work, but will also destroy their pensions.

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Old 20th Nov 2017, 14:17
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Originally Posted by BadgerGrowler View Post
I can see how "Fake News" is started.

Hammond's quote has been taken out of context

He was very specifically answering a question about technology, self drive cars, putting people out of work. He answered that 20 years ago they said short hand typists would be unemployed due to computers and word processors. This is the context when he said there was no unemployed (referring to embracing technology).

I remember the same being said that computer would put people out of work, even talk of a 3 day week...... it never happened and I would argue people are working longer than ever as a direct result of technology.

He did also point out the unemployment is at its lowest for decades.

Many trust the BBC news but this is just gutter press reporting at best
Of course it has, how very remiss of anybody who dares to suggest otherwise !

He missed out those that are underemployed however, shame really, because they also count in the job figures and it's difficult to see where you make the bland statement he was only referring to technology and self drive cars ( there again, this Gov't has a certain vested, as yet not financially quantified, interest in the car manufacturing sector as you may recall ? ) when he clearly wasn't.

Gutter reporting ? erm, merely reporting on a factual comment, made live on air doesn't, in my less than humble opinion, constitute gutter reporting.

On the subject of which, given your stance, you don't work for the Mail or the Sun by any chance.....
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 14:53
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
Of course it has, how very remiss of anybody who dares to suggest otherwise !

He missed out those that are underemployed however, shame really, because they also count in the job figures and it's difficult to see where you make the bland statement he was only referring to technology and self drive cars ( there again, this Gov't has a certain vested, as yet not financially quantified, interest in the car manufacturing sector as you may recall ? ) when he clearly wasn't.

Gutter reporting ? erm, merely reporting on a factual comment, made live on air doesn't, in my less than humble opinion, constitute gutter reporting.

On the subject of which, given your stance, you don't work for the Mail or the Sun by any chance.....
Sorry to disappoint. I prefer to get my news from multiple sources..

Reuters
The Guardian
The Telegraph
BBC
The FT

The only time this household gets the Sun or Mail, is when a base needs building for kindling on the log burner
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 15:41
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Originally Posted by keith williams View Post
Labour’s nationalisation plans will not only destroy the companies for which these people work, but will also destroy their pensions.
The very fact that none of the usual suspects in here are actually talking about Labours 'We're taking it back' nonsense tells you just how credible John the Trots verbiage is
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 16:15
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Scotland's new "English" Labour Party leader says he would support an England team playing against Scotland.

Scottish Labour leader would support England against Scotland - BBC News

I don't think he has really grasped the depth of tribalism that runs through Scottish sporting support!

I wonder if there are any slots left in the jungle?
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 16:22
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The funniest thing with this thread currently is reading the ‘left’ comments with regards their Leader.
Now there we have it. Labour has a leader. When will the Conservatives figure that out and give it a try?
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 16:55
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Now there we have it. Labour has a leader. When will the Conservatives figure that out and give it a try?
Who is sat in No 10?

Not sure if you noticed but until recently your Party did try on more than one occasion to get shot of Jezza and I have yet to see in here anyone telling us that the 'We're taking it all back' thing is actually a good idea
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Old 20th Nov 2017, 17:02
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Number 22... Two lame ducks!
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