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Old 14th Oct 2017, 18:20
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Originally Posted by Arthur Bellcrank View Post
Isn't one of the labour pledges to introduce a rent cap? this would mean ...
... that people who can't afford to buy and don't qualify for council housing would have nowhere to live, just as happened last time Labour destroyed the private rented market (which was fixed by the introduction of ASTs).
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 18:38
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
jetII: So you think Corbyn was a back bencher for just 6 months?
What has being a backbencher got to do with anything?. You claimed he was a man of principle who stuck to his views - yet, you said earlier that in Dec 2016, he voted in favour of the UK leaving the EU, but just 6 months earlier he voted to remain.

Sounds like he doesnt hold his principles for very long..
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 18:41
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
And don't let's hear "The rich will dodge the taxes" because they won't. NOL will go for wealth in property. If you have more than £500k worth. Expect an annual wealth tax.
And how are you going to work out that nonsense?.

Lets say I have a 1962 Jaguar or a painting by Constable, or a share portfolio - who is going to value them, especially when the value rises and falls week to week.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 19:11
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Jet II: Here is the bit I posted on the back bench theme, perhaps you missed it.
having watched him in Parliament over many years while was on the back benches and the one thing about him I noticed was how he seemed to be a man of principle
I would also recommend you read my post #12322 above. Explains a lot about Corbyn's change of vote. It is all related to the voice of the people, expressed in a referendum. I really think you should read that post and you will find that Mrs May changed her mind in the space of 5 days! She also was absent for 2 Divisions on the subject of do we leave or do we stay so she hasn't actually voted Remain or Leave.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 19:31
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Sounds like he doesnt hold his principles for very long..
Corbyn's principles are "whatever will achieve a Trot socialist workers paradise". I don't think he's deviated from that. To be sure the tactics will change from time to time to match what the world is doing but I don't think the principle has.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 19:55
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Fear not Labour as help is on the way

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Old 14th Oct 2017, 20:20
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June 2016 ! don't forget what Corbyn said ! The Single Market was Labours red line and as for immigration they would deal with that by building to accommodate

What happened since ? Labour were facing decimation and had a stronghold of Labour supporters in the North
Basically they tried to jump on what appeared to be Mays success by shouting out means out ?
Then the shock election result and here lies the crux
Young voters who are remainers came out in their masses! abandoned left wing Conservative voters turned to Labour hoping that Labours earlier EU friendly comments may give them a new home

The result is that the new face of Labour voters want to remain in the single market
Infact a whopping 80%
That leaves Corbyn with a massive problem
Had there not been party skullduggery membership of the SM would have without doubt been voted in to party policy
It got pushed down the road with now Corbyns stance of the SM being their redline by whatever means needed to achieve that preferably negotiated

Problem Labour has now is that they cannot be against the remainers who voted for them without loosing the lot again and ending up as a party facing extinction as a few months back
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 20:50
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Jet II: Here is the bit I posted on the back bench theme, perhaps you missed it.
I would also recommend you read my post #12322 above. Explains a lot about Corbyn's change of vote. It is all related to the voice of the people, expressed in a referendum. I really think you should read that post and you will find that Mrs May changed her mind in the space of 5 days! She also was absent for 2 Divisions on the subject of do we leave or do we stay so she hasn't actually voted Remain or Leave.
Well if you are going to change your principles based on the size of the crowd, then they cant have been very deeply held principles in the first place.

As for the comparison with May, well I have never heard her described as being deeply principled - so if that is the bar that Corbyn is aiming for, its pretty low.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 20:55
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Originally Posted by Pace View Post
Problem Labour has now is that they cannot be against the remainers who voted for them without loosing the lot again and ending up as a party facing extinction as a few months back
Well, we won't know until it happens, but my guess is different - the Corbynite Trot socialist workers paradise is now a religion, and Corbyn expects the acolytes to stick with the religion and forget that they were ever in favour of remain (or accept Corbyn's lies that he is still, or ever has been, in favour of remain).

Time will tell.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 20:59
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The only reason Corbyn is nervous of the EU is that to force mass nationalisation at a price the government can afford the ECJ maybe a problem
But maybe that is an argument for the ECJ as it stops extremism
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 21:34
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force mass nationalisation at a price the government can afford

Not his worry, he will borrow money that we have no means of repaying, then when he is rumbled pass the massive debt to the next Tory Government, then sit back unctuously criticising their efforts to balance the books.
The ill educated dimwits that voted him in will then vote Tory when the penny drops, until the next generation of lefty brainwashed school children revote his successors back into Government.


Repeat ad infinitem
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 22:32
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I used to support our first past the post system now not so sure
All this talk of being masters of our own destiny in reality we go conservative ten years then Labour ten years and the people who decide are the don't knows who really don't care a [email protected] either way

We have politicians who don't have a clue or qualification other than hearing their own voices leading all this

Thats democracy ?
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 22:40
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Originally Posted by Pace View Post
All this talk of being masters of our own destiny
Here's a thing.

Depending a bit (but probably not that much) on where you live, your MEPs have been on the winning side in about 99% of votes in the European parliament over the years, whereas your MP has been on the losing side in about 50% of votes. So in fact you are vastly more master of your own destiny at the EU level than you are at the UK level.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 22:52
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Yes but that's because Nigel Farage has been heading up the UK team.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 22:54
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Yes but that's because Nigel Farage has been heading up the UK team.
I did say depending a bit on where you live. Fortunately you have more than one MEP, so the fact that the kippers take the money but can't be arsed to actually turn up and do the job doesn't completely disenfranchise you.
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Old 14th Oct 2017, 23:12
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In that case, put your faith in Wunderwuzzi!
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 01:01
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Why not just grasp the bull by the horns and do the honourable thing

Government faces humiliation as DUP poised to side with Labour over women's pensions | The Independent

Having visited the pension site recently and discovered that both of our state pensions are not going to be what we thought they would be then clearly this is something that needs another look at.

In the big scheme of life our own shortfall is not going to change the price of fish for us but it's clear that for many folk out there there needs to be some sort of fair transition from the old scheme to the new one that helps those not quite so well placed.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 01:17
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It's a great headline that on face value sounds like a great idea, a co operative running Uber with workers in control of things

Jeremy Corbyn wants Uber to be replaced with a co-operative and workplace robots to be owned by workers | City A.M.

But when you open your mind to the suggestion you start to question the 'co operative' logic as there always needs to be a 'head of shed' with such a thing then you extrapolate that kind of Socialist logic and you arrive at these kind of co operative thingys

The 36 union fat-cats who are each picking up more than £100k | Daily Mail Online

Now I know the source document will not exactly pass muster with some but do feel free to refute.
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Old 15th Oct 2017, 09:02
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
It's a great headline that on face value sounds like a great idea, a co operative running Uber with workers in control of things

Jeremy Corbyn wants Uber to be replaced with a co-operative and workplace robots to be owned by workers | City A.M.

But when you open your mind to the suggestion you start to question the 'co operative' logic as there always needs to be a 'head of shed' with such a thing then you extrapolate that kind of Socialist logic and you arrive at these kind of co operative thingys

The 36 union fat-cats who are each picking up more than £100k | Daily Mail Online

Now I know the source document will not exactly pass muster with some but do feel free to refute.
What's the current word of the moment again ?.....ah yes... irony.

Exemplified here by the offer to refute, yet, strangely when being offered innumerable opportunities to substantiate statements......no response.

The salaries and benefits packages, as the TUC clearly state, are open to public scrutiny so what is there to refute ?

However, lets have a look at the TPA ( Taxpayers Alliance ) by way of comparison.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...pressure-group

Funny that, how the Mail and the Sun are so generous in giving coverage to the organisation and yes, the article is dated 2009, but what has changed in the interim ?.......not much it seems.

http://whofundsyou.org/org/taxpayers-alliance

Irony ( cont'd )......the oft promoted fallacy that everybody who voted to Remain did so purely for selfish personal financial reasons, but wait, what's this !.......a pious lament that the future state pension will fall short of the expectation....allied to a spurious sudden "concern", almost socialist in fact, that the issue needs to be addressed which nobody refutes....and thus will affect.....erm, personal finances perhaps?

And after all those years of dedication as well.

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Old 15th Oct 2017, 13:17
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
It's a great headline that on face value sounds like a great idea, a co operative running Uber with workers in control of things
So whats stopping them? If the drivers are unhappy with their lot when working for Uber why don't they just set up an alternative taxi company based on a workers cooperative.

I dont see why politicians need to get involved, except as a publicity stunt.
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