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Old 27th Sep 2017, 17:01
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Prophead: The comment to which I referred was the one about Corbyn not attending the Labour Friends of ISRAEL meeting.
Who said that? What do you mean? The sterling/dollar rate was somewhere in the low $1.20 odd area just a couple of weeks ago. Yesterday, it was at $1.36. That is a rise! (it seems to have taken a small knock today, following the ridiculous Bombardier ruling).
Oh, and I am not a supporter of Corbyn.
G-CPTN: It may have been one of Blair's showpiece developments but don't forget who started the whole PFI ball rolling. Clue: First name John, surname Major. But then I have always maintained Blair was a closet Tory (along with Brown). A pair of unabashed Thatcherites. The sooner we are rid of these drains on the national purse the better.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 17:19
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While I agree that PFI was a scandal, contract exit clauses would be punitive today and no government, even in confiscatory mode, wants to reign under the opprobrium of everlasting court cases linked with such a business unfriendly attitude.
The Labour Party and Momentum suffer from the English disease, I don't mean alcohol, I mean the green eyed revenge disease. Perhaps those who profited from PFI should be punished even though Tony Blair and Gordon Brown gave them free rein. But it would be so much healthier for the country if Labour would look ahead to policies of the future instead of allowing itself to become tainted by constantly looking for those upon whom to be avenged. Recriminations do not develop society rather, they fester the development of partition and hatred. Labour and Momentum are good at recrimination and hatred. Their newspapers and lackey journalists, Polly Toynbee and Owen Smith pour out their vitriol every day like baby mimicking gargoyles of Seamus Milne. Labour, a once great party, is a lesser movement because of this and those who support it are in turn tarred.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 17:26
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[quote=Seldomfitforpurpose;9882333]
Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post

Corbyn had a fantastic result, no one yourself included would have given him a jot of a chance of that prior to Mrs May calling that snap election.

The thing is though, and I know you see this as me being smug here but the facts are despite promises of FREE everything Corbyn came up woefully short against an opponent who simply offered no credible opposition.

The country is not daft and that is why despite all her failings Mrs May is in office and Corbyn is in opposition.
I have just listened the speach by JC with an OPEN mind and I have to say that the vast majority of it made good sense,at least to me anyway. All the ranting and raving about setting out to bankrupt and bring down the country is simply scare tactics by people who seem to believe everything they read in the DM and DT.
You see the thing political parties have to give their voters is Hope for the future, especially after some 8 to 9 years of austerity and cuts. There is nothing wrong with actually istening to
people. After all it is the people who we should be putting first and if you don't do that don't be surprised if they turn against you.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 17:34
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
When will people understand that being anti-Israel is NOT being anti-Semitic?
Corbyn praises Palestinian terror groups that slaughter ordinary Jews. The terrorists do not select them for death because they are Zionists, they slaughter them for being Jews.
If you praise anti-Semites for their actions, then you are an anti-Semite.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 18:06
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Originally Posted by Prophead View Post
Kelvin, apologies, I thought you were referring to my post about Corbyns post election disaster planning. It's good to see the sterling/dollar climbing and long may it continue. I have a Lycoming to buy.

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It is Labour themselves that have been setting out plans for financial turmoil if they are elected. It doesn't inspire confidence. We will witness a downturn that will make the 9 years of cuts seem like boom times.

These Champagne socialists have no intention of putting the people first. They want power and if they ever get it then anyone but those in their own ranks is stuffed.
So only Labour politicians want power then.
Still preaching the same old scare tactics I see. Nothing changes. ...
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 18:09
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Its Easy to forget that Corbyn was seen as a weak Leader with Labour about to be decimated at the Election and May predicted to win with a 100 seat Majority

Young voters came out en mass to vote Labour
Young voters have no memory of the Labour politics in the Thatcher era and before

One thing Labour need to be aware of is that most of the young voters are pro EU and moved in force with the hope that Labours soul was pro Europe

The vast Majority of Labour supporters are pro Europe now which gives Corbyn a huge problem as to get away with his vision of Labour and nationalisation he cannot be answerable to the EU

Hence the Dirty tactics to stop a SM vote

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-single-market

If Labour abandons these people including traditional Conservative pro Europe voters they risk bleeding away that support
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 18:18
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When pressed on TV on the topic of supporting Hamas et al, Corbyn denied it. He said there are 2 sides to every story and it makes sense to talk to both parties. The right wing press will, of course, continue to peddle this nonsense.
If another government/nationality strolled into the village I and my family had lived for generations and kicked me out, I too would fight back. Remember how we in the UK praise to high heaven the people trained during WW2 to wage a guerilla campaign against invading forces? Same rules apply.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 18:18
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In reality it does not matter what Labour votes for, or does not vote for, or what they state will happen if they get in, neither what Labours supporters want from a Labour government, because until they win an election it is all conjecture and rhetoric.

Those youngster were sold a pup at the last election, they will be older and one hopes wiser to see what a crock their lives will be with a ruined economy under Labour, unless they really are not as bright as others make them out to be.

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Old 27th Sep 2017, 18:27
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For the Many not the Few

So fellow Jetblasters, are you one of Jeremy's Many or one of Jeremy's Few?
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 18:29
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Few? (And "phew!" that he didn't win last time around.)
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 18:37
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I'm not Jeremy's, full stop.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 18:40
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There will however be another lot of easily bought students with a year or two of militant politics to get out of their system.
Hopefully they might not be so easily swayed if they are bright enough to actually open their eyes to what is happening in the real world and maybe won't get brainwashed, also it is entirely possible that there won't be enough of them to make any difference.

It is mentioned that Labour would win for definite as a backlash against the Conservatives for a disastrous brexit, that presupposes this will actually happen, what if it actually does turn out well for the UK, then what?

And nobody knows for a fact that it will, or for that matter won't, again it is all just supposition.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 18:50
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what if it actually does turn out well for the UK, then what?
What?May will back right off agree the 3 year transition the EU want as a minimum? Pay normal costs for those three years and a sensible bill for leaving
Trouble with that is May probably will agree that but there will be an almighty punch up in the party and the Conservatives will destroy themselves over Europe as historically they do

But YES if she gets away with it it May turn out ok then with he EU more inclined to work out a good deal for the long term

If we crash out we will be so weak and desperate for trade deals everywhere that they will all be bad

Brexit will bring control of our own destiny meet the new PM ! Where are my bags

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politi...rty-conference

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Old 27th Sep 2017, 19:00
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Can't be part of the many as everyone is special on this place.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 19:03
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Originally Posted by Dutystude View Post
So fellow Jetblasters, are you one of Jeremy's Many or one of Jeremy's Few?
Corbyn......Not for Manny, he's a Jew.

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Old 27th Sep 2017, 19:38
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I've been watching the Labour Conference on the BBC Parliament Channel on and off the past few days.

Everything, and I mean everything, is so cliche.

Speakers stop half way through a sentence to wait for applause from the audience.

Idiots in Tee Shirts telling everyone how to run the country.

Women in the audience screeching like a Boy Band audience whenever a politician says something they like to hear.

Chairpersons referring to speakers as ' Brother ' or ' Sister ' or ' Comrade '


I thought our own Monsieur Europe was a smug, smarmy, self-centred, idiot, but he's obviously an amateur compared to that lot.

Oh well....
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 19:58
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"Not for the many but for the few" and if he gets in it will be " never so much owed by the many to the few". By the way have we paid off the debt to our cousins left from the last shindig we got mixed up in.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 20:39
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
When pressed on TV on the topic of supporting Hamas et al, Corbyn denied it. He said there are 2 sides to every story and it makes sense to talk to both parties. The right wing press will, of course, continue to peddle this nonsense.
Corbyn, 2009.

“It will be my pleasure and honour to host an event in parliament where our friends from Hezbollah will be speaking … I’ve also invited our friends from Hamas to come and speak as well.”

Not two sided, but two faced. It's not peddling by the press to report, verbatim, what he said. Corbyns subsequent back-pedalling is the real scandal.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 20:42
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Should the unfortunate happen and he does in some strange way get into power it will become "the many living off the few".

Once the resources of the few have been squandered and comes to how the limited resources remaining are shared around it will inevitably become “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

Socialism always does that.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 21:12
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Do we think this Labour lot and their Union paymasters will purposely do whatever they can to make Brexit fail and bring down the Tory government regardless of the mess it causes?
Depends what you mean by "make Breixt fail".

They certainly want to "make Brexit happen", regardless of economic consequences, for two reasons, one of which they've admitted:

(1) EU rules would stop them nationalising everything.

and one of which they're slightly more shy about:

(2) They've got to get rid of outgoing freedom of movement, because a Trot socialist workers paradise that the workers are free to leave can't work, because the workers will leave. And if getting rid of FoM means leaving the EU, and that means economic catastrophe, then that's a price worth paying.
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