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Old 15th Sep 2017, 14:49
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I think a lot of the differences on here have one common issue. There is contracting and there is contracting. I have had the opportunities in the past to turn to contracting where the cash rewards were greater than I was earning in regular employment but for various reasons I didn't take them up. On the other hand, one of my past employers had a couple of contractors in my department, making money hand over fist, for 3 years! The awkward squad (mainly me) began asking the company why they couldn't figure out that, if we are paying contractor's rates over a period of 3 years or so, we actually had a requirement for 2 new employees. The rates being paid to the contractors were attractive and lucrative enough to cover their overheads, insurances, sickness etc. Contracts were always for an extended period, agreed beforehand.
The other sort of contracting, which is what this argument focuses on, involves people on minimum wages who can not put money aside for the overheads. Every little bump in the road can become a catastrophe. You often don't know if you are working today, until you have made that early morning phone call. And, with a zero hours contract, if the early morning call results in no work today, you were not free to offer yourself for hire to others. (Fortunately, this was outlawed in 2015).
Incidentally, given that this on an aviation forum, can anyone tell me how many aircraft drivers, employed by airlines, are self-employed contractors vs full time employees (Ryanair excepted!)
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 15:02
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
And, with a zero hours contract, if the early morning call results in no work today, you were not free to offer yourself for hire to others. (Fortunately, this was outlawed in 2015).
As you say, exclusivity was outlawed years ago so what is the relevance today?
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 15:14
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If there is one industry where contracting is very common is in the NHS

Locums, agency staff...

To cover unforeseen absence, workload, etc
Rates of pay are far better....but no DB pension.
Thousands do it....can they all be wrong?
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 19:12
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As you say, exclusivity was outlawed years ago so what is the relevance today?
Because I wrote it today. Well, a stupid answer to a stupid question. "Years ago" was January 2016.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 22:53
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
Because I wrote it today. Well, a stupid answer to a stupid question. "Years ago" was January 2016.
Well we also outlawed putting kids up chimneys years ago so what relevance would that have to todays employment Law?

Highlighting policies that have already been banned isn't a particularly good argument against Contract work.
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Old 19th Sep 2017, 20:11
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 17:10
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So the previous Labour government left a note admitting they had stuffed up the nations finances but at least they waited until they had been kicked out.

This new lot have gone a step further and are planning for financial disaster from the very start.

Jeremy Corbyn: It's right to plan for run on pound - BBC News
I can give them absolutely for free a very simple to implement plan that is guaranteed to stop any run on the pound:


#stopbrexshit
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 18:14
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I think GE will happen too late for that.

Brexit is happening.

For those that think there is economic advantage to a devaluing pound.....consideration needs to be given to international investors who fund our country's debt by buying gilts.
If interest rates have to rise to compensate them for a fall in the value of the pound that would be a huge rate rise...it woukd bankrupt the country.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 18:18
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I can give them absolutely for free a very simple to implement plan that is guaranteed to stop any run on the pound:


#stopbrexshit
Problem for the Corbyn type of socialism is stopping brexit would also stop the extremes Corbyn wants

Bringing back power to the UK will also mean power to Corbyn but with no EU safeguards
Careful what you wish for with Brexit as you might get socialism from decades back

What a disaster Brexit and extreme Corbyn socialism think I will go and live in the EU if they will have me))

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Old 26th Sep 2017, 21:45
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After Mc Donnell's latest offerings today to the effect that
Labour has prepared for a run on the pound and capital flight if it enters Government and has consulted experts about how the party should respond, (John McDonnell has said. Independent newspaper).
It strikes me that preparing for a run on the pound means getting the Bank of England to print vast amounts of paper moolah and buy £s.
and that preparing for a flight of capital means simply prohibiting it, as did Harold Wilson back in the 70s.
It seems to me that those who love in Britain and who are possessed of a reasonable fortune are the most vilified citizens of any so called civilised country, whether or not they pay the appropriate taxes. I wouldn't hang around in their shoes and constantly be told by the Guardian, the Independent, Momentum and other such slathering organs of the left, that I was a disgusting parasite and must pay even more than the 63% top rate of income tax that already exists in Britain.
It occurs to me too that Labour has hit the figurative nail on the head with its anti Semitism and persecution of the Jewish fraternity. Being a wealthy man in Britain today is not so far(figuratively, only figuratively and in the context please) removed from being a Jew in early 1930s Germany. The government in waiting is preparing to prosecute you, persecute you and pursue you. Your quality of life is threatened and your lives and those of your children will suffer deprivation whether or not you are a good tax paying citizen or even of benefit to society.
The enormity of this parallel becomes horrifically mordant when one reflects that the earlier party in question called itself a Socialist one whereas today's Momentum and Labour pride themselves on being called socialist ones.
Yes indeed, if I lived happily in Britain with a wife and family and more than wealth of, let us say, £500,000, I would be making plans to escape, having long since made a financial plan to put my own family first.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 21:57
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Originally Posted by cavortingcheetah View Post
I would be making plans to escape
Lots of people are, but not everyone finds it that easy to get an EU passport

I still think it's really really weird that the Tories are contributing all they can to hasten this Trot socialist paradise, doing Momentum's job for them by getting rid of outward freedom of movement and getting rid of the EU regulation that would greatly constrain Corbyn's more extreme plans.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 22:18
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I bet John Major would have loved some of that pre-planning stuff in 1992!
I noticed somewhere else among the threads a reference to the famous "there is no money left". Perhaps Mr Byrne was taking his inspiration from Reginald Maudling who had done something similar some years before.
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Old 26th Sep 2017, 22:52
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Why would you need an EU passport? Why indeed would you need a passport at all in order to become a tax resident? You don't actually need to be a citizen of a foreign country to shed your UK domicile of origin(if that's what you have) for a domicile of choice. It does help of course as that idiot Gaines Cooper found to his great cost and as did that wally from HSBC, Stuart Gulliver.
But if you did want another passport with EU access, Cyprus and Portugal make it easy enough as do the Irish.
If you don't, then Bahamas, Seychelles, Dutch Antilles, Costa Rica, to name but a few more congenial place, will provide passports if you invest enough to buy a reasonable little bungalow for yourself.


There is no doubt too in my mind that the Conservatives are bent on self destruction.
Where are their rants and taunts at Labour for refusing to debate Brexit at the recent party conference?
Where do you find criticism of the appalling bigotry of Angela Rayner.
(I agree that Diane Abbott is probably beneath contempt and will self destruct).
Where do they campaign that UK top marginal income tax rate is already the highest in the world at 63%.
Where do they point out that the UK has the highest inheritance taxes with the lowest margins and most limiting family pathways of any country.
Where do they hammer home the fact that PFI was an engine of money creation for the Blair years even though a Major thought.
Do they lean on the Lords Spiritual to restrict their comments on financial machinations to their own appalling investment policies of the past.
The excruciating list of cowardy custard omissions goes on and on.
Ad inf.,

Could this be anything to do with the fact that, painting with a broad brush and from the position of a non resident foreigner, the UK has a magnificent centre core of wonderful people. Are the rest evenly split between those for whom self entitlement are the two watch words forward and the others who are too whacked out on alcohol and drugs to be able to think of anything rational all but can still vote?
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 10:10
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Prophead

Two ideologies Brexit and Corbyn left wing Labour ambitions
What a combination for finishing off this country

As with both ideologies their supporters don't want to know the truth only the ideology
The truth is either discarded or modified to fit the ideology
Ideology is a luxury when not based on sound economics
As with any luxury you can or cannot afford that indulgence

Sadly we cannot afford brexit or Corbyns left wing ideology but neither will want to know that
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 10:21
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We need Brexit. We do not need left wing ideology if we are to make a success of Brexit. The two concepts are mutually incompatible, like leaving the EU while remaining in the single market.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 10:27
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I think the point being made by some is that Brexit will allow Corbyn in due to the chaos that it will cause. Strangely people seem totally unaware that Corbyn is Brexiter than thou, due of course to the fantasy he has of an unfettered Socialist economy.

Strangely I think that what may eventually save the UK will be the unwillingness of the SNP to support him due to the electoral damage they might sustain by such a policy, I have no doubt that he will need SNP support to govern, this would be the ultimate irony.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 10:32
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Corbyns anti-Semitism laid bare last night when Thornberry claimed he couldn't attend the Labours Friends of Israel meeting because he was preparing for todays big speech.
The lie was exposed when he went to two other meetings held by the Unite Union (provides two thirds of Labour funds) and the Left wing Daily Mirror.

Tories: Nasty party.
Labour: Utterly vile party.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 11:19
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
Corbyns anti-Semitism laid bare last night when Thornberry claimed he couldn't attend the Labours Friends of Israel meeting because he was preparing for todays big speech.
The lie was exposed when he went to two other meetings held by the Unite Union (provides two thirds of Labour funds) and the Left wing Daily Mirror.

Tories: Nasty party.
Labour: Utterly vile party.
There are quite a lot of us, and I suspect this goes for both sides of the political divide, who think that there is nothing to choose between either of them. I for one have no intention of supporting either anytime soon.
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 14:42
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There are quite a lot of us, and I suspect this goes for both sides of the political divide, who think that there is nothing to choose between either of them. I for one have no intention of supporting either anytime soon.
Alternatives are available
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Old 27th Sep 2017, 15:26
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When will people understand that being anti-Israel is NOT being anti-Semitic?
Clue: One refers to a nation and the other refers, more or less, to a religion. I say more or less as the term ant-Semite refers also to Islam (Semite-Shem).
And why would an apparently educated person on here declare the pound is dropping in value jst 1 day after a 20 cent rise in the rate?
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