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Old 7th Sep 2017, 21:46
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It is just so easy for the Grauniad. Anyone who doesn't support unlimited immigration must be politically 'Far Right'. Those who really want to admit any who wish to enter regardless of the numbers are 'the Moderate Centre ground'.
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Old 7th Sep 2017, 22:12
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Originally Posted by Rosevidney1 View Post
It is just so easy for the Grauniad. Anyone who doesn't support unlimited immigration must be politically 'Far Right'. Those who really want to admit any who wish to enter regardless of the numbers are 'the Moderate Centre ground'.
But then also failing to explain why pretty much nowhere else in the world thinks this EU open border madness is a good idea.
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Old 8th Sep 2017, 08:21
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Depends whether you count dragging myself to London to take part in a demo a "week-end break".
You do know that Greenham Common is no more don't you?
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Old 8th Sep 2017, 16:59
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
But then also failing to explain why pretty much nowhere else in the world thinks this EU open border madness is a good idea.
Um, well, one obvious example would be the USA? Fifty separate states (plus some bits of empire?) you can move around in at will?
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Old 8th Sep 2017, 16:59
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Originally Posted by denachtenmai View Post
You do know that Greenham Common is no more don't you?
It was still there last time I flew over it - a useful landmark.
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Old 8th Sep 2017, 17:36
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If you are going to what I think you are then maybe Bob could help you secure a passport, might be worth asking
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Old 8th Sep 2017, 17:43
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Um, well, one obvious example would be the USA? Fifty separate states (plus some bits of empire?) you can move around in at will?
So when Obama moved from Chicago to DC he was an immigrant?

I think you need to rethink that one a bit..
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Old 8th Sep 2017, 18:29
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So when Obama moved from Chicago to DC he was an immigrant?
Yup. If you move house to take up a new a job you're what they call an "economic migrant". It doesn't really matter what sorts of borders you're crossing on the way (and there are almost always some), you're still going remove your economic activity from the old location and place demands on the infrastructure in the new one.


Being an "economic migrant" was always regarded as a Good Thing by the Tories, by the way, so long as you called it "getting on your bike".
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Old 8th Sep 2017, 21:30
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Yup. If you move house to take up a new a job you're what they call an "economic migrant". It doesn't really matter what sorts of borders you're crossing on the way (and there are almost always some), you're still going remove your economic activity from the old location and place demands on the infrastructure in the new one.


Being an "economic migrant" was always regarded as a Good Thing by the Tories, by the way, so long as you called it "getting on your bike".
If Obama was an immigrant he wouldn't be eligible to be President - never had you down as a Birther. We learn something new every day.
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Old 8th Sep 2017, 21:57
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
Um, well, one obvious example would be the USA? Fifty separate states (plus some bits of empire?) you can move around in at will?
What absolute '....wittery' and an oft peddled nonsense
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 07:04
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ORAC ! ORAC ! " wherefore art thou ORAC ? ".....* ( that's the extent of me thespian aspirations and culture by the way )

I ask, because, with your dedication to cutting and pasting from The Times, there seems to be a muted silence concerning today's front page headline... the one which says something about Saint Theresa being "hopeless and weak ".....which is an understatement to say the least.

It gets worse.....well for some on here, in that one T. Blair gets a positive mention.

However, there is some good news.

Ruth Davidson, a lady whom has long been recognised as being head and shoulders above the usual vapid blue rinse Tory Home Counties mannequin , gets a well deserved accolade.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ry-party-donor

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Old 9th Sep 2017, 08:00
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Looks like Jezza is guaranteed to be here for the long run

Scottish Labour leadership: Rules to be set out for contest - BBC News

politics here in the UK truly is in a great place
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 08:16
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Wonder why it is all the rich people who say:

the PM is making a ‘big mistake’ by targeting high pay,
I assume anyone, of any party, would be accused of the same thing.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 10:19
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Jacob Rees Mogg the eccentric seems to have shot himself in the foot as a possible leader with his anti abortion and gay rights religious issues

Thinking of the Lib Dem leader resigning

Boris being described as Lazy Ruth Davidson would be the best choice who would appeal to Labour voters but probably too left for the hard right of the Conservative Party and their blind charge to brexit
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Chrystal

Jacob Rees Mogg the eccentric seems to have shot himself in the foot as a possible leader with his anti abortion and gay rights religious issues

Thinking of the Lib Dem leader resigning

Boris being described as Lazy Ruth Davidson would be the best choice who would appeal to Labour voters but probably too left for the hard right of the Conservative Party and their blind foolish charge to a hard brexit at any cost
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 10:40
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Chrystal

Jacob Rees Mogg the eccentric seems to have shot himself in the foot as a possible leader with his anti abortion and gay rights religious issues

Thinking of the Lib Dem leader resigning

Boris being described as Lazy Ruth Davidson would be the best choice who would appeal to Labour voters but probably too left for the hard right of the Conservative Party and their blind charge to brexit
Pace.......it's Krystal, wiv a K.....u know wot the spellin an grammar pedunts iz like on ear.

However, since you mention one J R-M ( being careful here not to use the current vogue on JB for using CAPITALS ) here's a nice little piece from the ever delightful Ms Marina Hyde who, this being JB, will duly fall into the usual " Guardian champagne socialist " demographic.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...eton-eccentric

Ruth Davidson however, well as I and others have said, there is a lady who would be welcome as a Tory leader by all political affiliations.....which means the die hard right wing chaps will probably do their level best to negate her opportunities to do so less she infuses the party with some clarity and perspective.

And of course, lets not forget her background and upbringing, always somewhat applicable in Tory minds and eyes as we know.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 11:42
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The problem being she is not an MP, just a member of the Scottish Assembly and even if they found her quick seat, she has zero ministerial experience.

As for JRM, he has repeatedly said he is not interested, I have the suspicion he deliberately opted to make the point about his views on abortion etc to make it clear he was neither interested or suitable for the post. He comes across as polite but firm in his views, requirement to be able to change your principles to adapt to government policy stroke me as something he has no interest in acquiring.

The general view in the party, and the House, is that they need to skip a generation. The best way to do that is to have a Cabinet reshuffle after the party conference and bring in the best of the next generation as non-Brexit related ministers and pick a new leader post-Brexit so whoever is chosen will have no baggage going into the next election. Something the front benchers on both sides of the House will have to carry with them in the next campaign.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 16:30
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Jacob Rees Mogg the eccentric seems to have shot himself in the foot as a possible leader with his anti abortion and gay rights religious issues
Why? he was asked a question and he gave an honest answer. You may not like it but the guy is honest. He also said that they where his personal views and they would not effect the law of the UK because he believed in democracy.

I dont agree with him but you have to respect his honesty
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 16:31
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Why? he was asked a question and he gave an honest answer. You may not like it but the guy is honest. He also said that they where his personal views and they would not effect the law of the UK because he believed in democracy.

I dont agree with him but you have to respect his honesty
Totally agree and whilst it should not preclude his progress it inevitably will, just the way society has gone nowadays.
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Old 9th Sep 2017, 16:57
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Who would make the best leader, JRM or JC?
One is highly educated, polite and well dressed, the other is JC. The MSM appear to believe JC is the better choice. We are doomed!
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