UK politics - Hamsterwheel
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Originally Posted by Doors to Automatic
What cuts K & C?
Going from a situation where you are living way way beyond your means to one where you are just living beyond your means is not "cuts".
We are not going to make the lives of the poor any easier in the long term by sticking our heads in the sand and bankrupting the country by "abandoning austerity" when there was no austerity in the first place, just a slight slowing of accumulation of debt! In fact the opposite will be true.
I wonder how many nursing, teaching or police posts could be funded with the £50bn we are p*ssing away in interest payments each year. And that is with a relatively good credit rating (and thereofre interest rate).
Going from a situation where you are living way way beyond your means to one where you are just living beyond your means is not "cuts".
We are not going to make the lives of the poor any easier in the long term by sticking our heads in the sand and bankrupting the country by "abandoning austerity" when there was no austerity in the first place, just a slight slowing of accumulation of debt! In fact the opposite will be true.
I wonder how many nursing, teaching or police posts could be funded with the £50bn we are p*ssing away in interest payments each year. And that is with a relatively good credit rating (and thereofre interest rate).
Oh man, that's priceless !
How about these....for starters....
The disability benefit cuts Philip Hammond forgot to mention in Budget 2017
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...me-into-effect
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there was no austerity in the first place
the £50bn we are p*ssing away in interest payments each year
As for this constant "where does the money come from?" whenever poor, sick or disabled people face more cuts: raise the rate of income tax. Shoot the next politician that advocates more tax cuts in order to try to get a job in Westminster.
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It's pretty well all of them these days, isn't it. But that won't stop them tearing themselves apart over Europe.
Now Labour and Hard left!! where do you start? There are still some damm good Labour MPs around Graham Stringer, Fran Field etc) unfortunatly they are getting sidelined by the Corbyn (slightly to the left of Marx) side of the party
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As for this constant "where does the money come from?" whenever poor, sick or disabled people face more cuts: raise the rate of income tax. Shoot the next politician that advocates more tax cuts in order to try to get a job in Westminster.
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How about we start scrutinising properly how public money is spent rather than bleating on about how there is never enough. Stories of £100 light bulb changes in the NHS make me seethe.
40% of GDP in taxes is quite enough thank you (39% under Blair). Otherwise we might just as well become a Communist state.
A 50% cut in public expenditure is austerity. The current tinkering around the edges isn't.
40% of GDP in taxes is quite enough thank you (39% under Blair). Otherwise we might just as well become a Communist state.
A 50% cut in public expenditure is austerity. The current tinkering around the edges isn't.
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Originally Posted by Doors to Automatic
How about we start scrutinising properly how public money is spent rather than bleating on about how there is never enough.
"Scrutiny" is, after all, paperwork, and people sitting around in meetings, and collecting and analysing statistics, and filling in forms and ticking boxes, and all the other stuff that I bet in the next post you will decry as "wasting money on bureaucracy, target culture gone mad, ect ect".
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Originally Posted by Exrigger
Care to let me know what the above means, please, I have not come across this terminology in this sentence construct before and just interested in expanding my language skill set.
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Originally Posted by Exrigger
Care to let me know what the above means, please, I have not come across this terminology in this sentence construct before and just interested in expanding my language skill set.
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Oh dear, that is really deep, not really as clever as you must think you have been, and if you consider that as justification for not writing 'etc etc', like any normal educated person would in this day and age, then you do appear to present a smug and superior attitude to those you consider beneath you, intellectually speaking so to speak.
As an aside, those 4 books, which you claim:
,
So, of those 13 schools around the world I attended, not one has ever prescribed those as reading material, or even mentioned them in passing, to you I would assume this would indicate that those schools I attended are of the lowest educational standards of learning across the board and well below the pinnacle of education facilities you attended.
As an aside, those 4 books, which you claim:
every one should have read as a child
So, of those 13 schools around the world I attended, not one has ever prescribed those as reading material, or even mentioned them in passing, to you I would assume this would indicate that those schools I attended are of the lowest educational standards of learning across the board and well below the pinnacle of education facilities you attended.
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Originally Posted by Exrigger
So, of those 13 schools around the world I attended, not one has ever prescribed those as reading material ...
- what school is going to recommend that its pupils read highly subversive "down with skool" stuff?
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KnC cites the invitation to a speaker to speak at a conference as evidence that UKIP is "far right".
UKIP has previously welcomed Sir Digby Jones (former Labour minister) to its conference, and this year will hear former Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali.
An interest in political ideas is not an indication of extremism, as far as I am aware.
UKIP has previously welcomed Sir Digby Jones (former Labour minister) to its conference, and this year will hear former Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali.
An interest in political ideas is not an indication of extremism, as far as I am aware.
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Originally Posted by LGS6753
KnC cites the invitation to a speaker to speak at a conference as evidence that UKIP is "far right".
UKIP has previously welcomed Sir Digby Jones (former Labour minister) to its conference, and this year will hear former Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali.
An interest in political ideas is not an indication of extremism, as far as I am aware.
UKIP has previously welcomed Sir Digby Jones (former Labour minister) to its conference, and this year will hear former Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali.
An interest in political ideas is not an indication of extremism, as far as I am aware.
Unfortunately, having an interest and being a far right activist isn't quite the same thing....... as I'm sure you would be the first to agree.
I have no recollection of the other two speakers you exemplify having such connections,
There's also the rather unfortunate association between the prospective UKIP leader and, who else but ?.......the EDL.
Sadly, it seems that the massed throng will be deprived of the no doubt moderate and pragmatic address they were gleefully anticipating.....
Sheffield hotel cancels UKIP youth event featuring far right speaker and anti-Islam leadership candidate - The Star
Fancy cancelling the event therefore. Whatever possible reasons could they have for doing so.
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Austerity?
Outrageous
Tax levels are far too high
Why should the living standards now of pensioners and those on benefits be higher than ever before, and be above many in full time work?
The country has to balance the books you know.
However
In a few years time I expect to retire and cease paying tax.
So I will look forwards to a Corbyn govt. squeezing the rich till the pips squeak so my pension can be funded.
So the living standards of the elderly can keep going up and up.
A society is judged by how it treats its elderly.
Why should I give a shit if the books are not balanced.
That's the problem of today's yoof.
The elderly have gifted the yoof freedom from the EU so they can pay more and more taxes to fund the pensions of a growing elderly population.
Who would be a millennial, eh?
And on top of all that, they have student loans when we didn't.
Ain't life a bitch.
Tax levels are far too high
Why should the living standards now of pensioners and those on benefits be higher than ever before, and be above many in full time work?
The country has to balance the books you know.
However
In a few years time I expect to retire and cease paying tax.
So I will look forwards to a Corbyn govt. squeezing the rich till the pips squeak so my pension can be funded.
So the living standards of the elderly can keep going up and up.
A society is judged by how it treats its elderly.
Why should I give a shit if the books are not balanced.
That's the problem of today's yoof.
The elderly have gifted the yoof freedom from the EU so they can pay more and more taxes to fund the pensions of a growing elderly population.
Who would be a millennial, eh?
And on top of all that, they have student loans when we didn't.
Ain't life a bitch.
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You get a personal allowance of £11,500 in this tax year.
So you are only paying tax if you have other income.
If your £780 a month was your only income, you would not be paying tax on it.
So no pity from this source for you unfortunately
As my cat would say:
Ect ect
So you are only paying tax if you have other income.
If your £780 a month was your only income, you would not be paying tax on it.
So no pity from this source for you unfortunately
As my cat would say:
Ect ect
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Originally Posted by KelvinD
. I have to live on a State pension £780 per month. And I pay tax on it!
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...r-2017-to-2018
Smelling some BS here..............
