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Old 1st Sep 2017, 13:44
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It's pretty well all of them these days, isn't it. But that won't stop them tearing themselves apart over Europe.
Is it? I cant name one far right Conservative MP but just so I know would you please define HARD right?

Now Labour and Hard left!! where do you start? There are still some damm good Labour MPs around Graham Stringer, Fran Field etc) unfortunatly they are getting sidelined by the Corbyn (slightly to the left of Marx) side of the party
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 15:46
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As for this constant "where does the money come from?" whenever poor, sick or disabled people face more cuts: raise the rate of income tax. Shoot the next politician that advocates more tax cuts in order to try to get a job in Westminster.
The income tax rate is already more than excessive. There should be more incentive for these "sick or disabled" people to get back to work. Benefits should be for those genuinely unable to work: not wasters and spongers. A modern workhouse would be an excellent idea.
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 16:23
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How about we start scrutinising properly how public money is spent rather than bleating on about how there is never enough. Stories of £100 light bulb changes in the NHS make me seethe.

40% of GDP in taxes is quite enough thank you (39% under Blair). Otherwise we might just as well become a Communist state.

A 50% cut in public expenditure is austerity. The current tinkering around the edges isn't.
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 16:48
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Originally Posted by Doors to Automatic View Post
How about we start scrutinising properly how public money is spent rather than bleating on about how there is never enough.
But - guess what - there isn't enough public money to do the level of scrutiny you might like!


"Scrutiny" is, after all, paperwork, and people sitting around in meetings, and collecting and analysing statistics, and filling in forms and ticking boxes, and all the other stuff that I bet in the next post you will decry as "wasting money on bureaucracy, target culture gone mad, ect ect".
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 17:05
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ect ect
Care to let me know what the above means, please, I have not come across this terminology in this sentence construct before and just interested in expanding my language skill set.
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 17:20
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
Care to let me know what the above means, please, I have not come across this terminology in this sentence construct before and just interested in expanding my language skill set.
It was always going to bite him/her in the bum
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 18:16
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
Care to let me know what the above means, please, I have not come across this terminology in this sentence construct before and just interested in expanding my language skill set.
Look up Nigel Molesworth, which every one should have read as a child along with Alice and Winnie the Pooh.
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 18:40
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Oh dear, that is really deep, not really as clever as you must think you have been, and if you consider that as justification for not writing 'etc etc', like any normal educated person would in this day and age, then you do appear to present a smug and superior attitude to those you consider beneath you, intellectually speaking so to speak.

As an aside, those 4 books, which you claim:

every one should have read as a child
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So, of those 13 schools around the world I attended, not one has ever prescribed those as reading material, or even mentioned them in passing, to you I would assume this would indicate that those schools I attended are of the lowest educational standards of learning across the board and well below the pinnacle of education facilities you attended.
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 18:44
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
So, of those 13 schools around the world I attended, not one has ever prescribed those as reading material ...
Well, they wouldn't, would they - what school is going to recommend that its pupils read highly subversive "down with skool" stuff?
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 20:51
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Eny fule kno about Molesworth and Fotherington-Thomas.
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Old 1st Sep 2017, 20:51
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KnC cites the invitation to a speaker to speak at a conference as evidence that UKIP is "far right".

UKIP has previously welcomed Sir Digby Jones (former Labour minister) to its conference, and this year will hear former Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali.

An interest in political ideas is not an indication of extremism, as far as I am aware.
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Old 2nd Sep 2017, 04:57
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Originally Posted by LGS6753 View Post
KnC cites the invitation to a speaker to speak at a conference as evidence that UKIP is "far right".

UKIP has previously welcomed Sir Digby Jones (former Labour minister) to its conference, and this year will hear former Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali.

An interest in political ideas is not an indication of extremism, as far as I am aware.
Well yes, an interest in political ideas is not an indication of extremism.

Unfortunately, having an interest and being a far right activist isn't quite the same thing....... as I'm sure you would be the first to agree.

I have no recollection of the other two speakers you exemplify having such connections,

There's also the rather unfortunate association between the prospective UKIP leader and, who else but ?.......the EDL.

Sadly, it seems that the massed throng will be deprived of the no doubt moderate and pragmatic address they were gleefully anticipating.....

Sheffield hotel cancels UKIP youth event featuring far right speaker and anti-Islam leadership candidate - The Star

Fancy cancelling the event therefore. Whatever possible reasons could they have for doing so.

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Old 2nd Sep 2017, 06:38
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What ever else Anne Marie Waters is or was she is right about Islam.
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Old 2nd Sep 2017, 14:47
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Ect ect

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Old 2nd Sep 2017, 14:54
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Austerity?

Outrageous
Tax levels are far too high
Why should the living standards now of pensioners and those on benefits be higher than ever before, and be above many in full time work?
The country has to balance the books you know.

However

In a few years time I expect to retire and cease paying tax.
So I will look forwards to a Corbyn govt. squeezing the rich till the pips squeak so my pension can be funded.
So the living standards of the elderly can keep going up and up.
A society is judged by how it treats its elderly.
Why should I give a shit if the books are not balanced.
That's the problem of today's yoof.

The elderly have gifted the yoof freedom from the EU so they can pay more and more taxes to fund the pensions of a growing elderly population.
Who would be a millennial, eh?
And on top of all that, they have student loans when we didn't.
Ain't life a bitch.
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Old 2nd Sep 2017, 15:14
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Why should the living standards now of pensioners and those on benefits be higher than ever before
. I have to live on a State pension £780 per month. And I pay tax on it!
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Old 2nd Sep 2017, 16:49
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You get a personal allowance of £11,500 in this tax year.

So you are only paying tax if you have other income.
If your £780 a month was your only income, you would not be paying tax on it.

So no pity from this source for you unfortunately

As my cat would say:
Ect ect
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Old 2nd Sep 2017, 16:59
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Originally Posted by KelvinD View Post
. I have to live on a State pension £780 per month. And I pay tax on it!
£780 x 12 is £9360 so WTF are you paying tax on that?

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...r-2017-to-2018

Smelling some BS here..............
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Old 2nd Sep 2017, 18:00
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
£780 x 12 is £9360 so WTF are you paying tax on that?
They've got all sorts of cunning plans and clever tricks.


Once Upon A Time my only income was £40/week dole ... and I paid income tax on that at 40%.
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Old 2nd Sep 2017, 18:15
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Of course you smell BS. You are writing it. I failed to mention a minimal residue of a company pension I also receive at £100 per month. I am not looking at 2017-2018 yet but I can assure you I have paid income tax on my pension every year since retiring.
Anyone wants to call me a liar and we can arrange to meet up and I will flatten your nose!
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