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Old 12th Jun 2017, 17:04
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
Our daughter is now lecturing at her 3rd UK University.

She actually wrote this article - which generated about 4,000 replies - while working at the second one.

https://www.theguardian.com/higher-e...nk-they-own-me
Your daughter clearly has a very high opinion of herself and her value - so typical of "the world owes me a living" public-sector employees...

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Old 12th Jun 2017, 17:05
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Originally Posted by Hussar 54 View Post
Our daughter is now lecturing at her 3rd UK University.

She actually wrote this article - which generated about 4,000 replies - while working at the second one.

https://www.theguardian.com/higher-e...nk-they-own-me

She always says that 90+% of her students start off as opinionated, left leaning, trainee intellectuals, but by the final year, as they realise that soon they will have to become financially self-reliant, common soon kicks in.
Interesting article Mr H, and one that reflects society as a whole. The original 'me me me' generation of the 80s has procreated a second generation, so that whereas in the past a plea to parents for common sense would generate a clip round the ear for junior, now they get backed up in their idiocy. My wife told me of a GCSE pupil at her school whose parents recently wrote to advise the headmaster of the list of teachers who would be acceptable to teach Golden Boy when he starts his A Levels in September. The response is not known, but one would hope 'off' was the second word. The mother has form for blaming teachers for GB's failings, and it is no real surprise that he is turning out to be an incredibly arrogant pr1ck even by the standards of some of his peers.

However the point of that little tale is to illustrate that it isn't necessarily a lefty thing - the family are as dyed in the wool blue as you could wish to meet.

Returning to your daughter's article - it rather neatly illustrates the old adage of knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing, a trait that is often thought to be more of a right-of-centre thing.
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 17:22
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I often wonder how much of an effect the "filter bubble" of social media has on younger people, who may well get most of their information from their phones and tablets?

It seems that news may well be filtered on these devices and delivered to users in a form that aligns with previous articles or videos they've seen, so in a way, they end up only really getting information that is similar to that they have looked at in the past.
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 17:24
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
.....so typical of "the world owes me a living" public-sector employees...
As opposed to "the world owes me qualifications" students?
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 17:28
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Just read the article. Doesn't it make a good case for doing away Labour-style with tuition fees? If you charge people for a service, you cannot complain about the results.

Honestly, I think the problem has more to do with helicopter and drone parents who raise pampered brats than with anything else. So you don't have to blame the 20 somethings, but those who are in their 50s.
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 17:29
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Students haven't paid anyone £9,000 a year unless they've earned the money and paid income tax on the gross amount that generates the £9,000.
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 17:37
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As opposed to "the world owes me qualifications" students?
Well, in post-Brexit UK yes to some extent. Or how are you going to staff the NHS without all those pesky foreigners?
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 17:42
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I think the world owes me a living people are really mostly Torys of the I am small businessman ilk

Oppose minimum wage

Pay below the living wage so that tax payers rather than evaders/avoiders (same thing) have to subsidise their businesses

Zero hours contracts-compulsory ones

Tell nme the Daily Mail doesnt engender a sense of entitlement

Pressure for more and more reduction in employe rights'


Bigger businessmen are also high on the sense of entitlement list

Grossly excessive salaries

Stock options granted without proper linkage to performance

golden parachutes

possibility of an Honour.

Now i am not saying that public sector workers dont have those among their ranks that do swing the lead but seriously did the nurse who asked Theresa May why she had not had a pay rise for 8 years have a sense of entitlement.

Do Royal Mail workers deserve to have their pension stolen from under them

Do 60 y/o women who had five years pension stolen by G Osborne not have a legitimate sense of entitlement.

A very biased post indeed , surely the proportion of airline pilots who are closet Nazis isn't really as great as Jet Blast might suggest?
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 18:08
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I often wonder how much of an effect the "filter bubble" of social media has on younger people, who may well get most of their information from their phones and tablets?

It seems that news may well be filtered on these devices and delivered to users in a form that aligns with previous articles or videos they've seen, so in a way, they end up only really getting information that is similar to that they have looked at in the past.
You gotta be joking. What you are describing is the UK press. If you read the Daily Mail and believe what it prints, you live in a completely different world than the readers of the Daily Mirror. I cannot think of any other country where the print media is as biased as in the UK.
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 18:18
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Just read the article. Doesn't it make a good case for doing away Labour-style with tuition fees? If you charge people for a service, you cannot complain about the results.
That's very true. Nothing wrong with wanting a good service. What bugged me is that many of those students felt entitled to good results. Almost as if they had purchased the qualification rather than an education.

Also worth noting that most of those students will have borrowed their tuition fees - and won't always be obliged to pay them back.
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 18:19
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Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Your daughter clearly has a very high opinion of herself and her value - so typical of "the world owes me a living" public-sector employees...

PDR

Huh ??

It's about ' the university owes me a degree because I paid you £9,000 ' attitude of her students ' - bugger all about herself, however much you choose to denigrate her.
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 18:22
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They still have not got the hang of telling the truth while remaining masters of ignoring the bleeding obvious.
Today, when asked about the delay to the Queens Speech, her bosom buddy, Damian Green blamed delays on ongoing discussions with the DUP. He then said "we know those talks are going well and we also know that, at this very important time, we want to produce a substantial Queen's Speech".
So, "ongoing discussions with DUP" to blame, eh? Yet, on the same day it was confirmed the DUP delegation will be travelling to London for these talks tomorrow. How can the talks be "going well" when the 2 parties are still to meet?
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 19:17
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
The 'young' came out to vote because they were promised 'free stuff'. Them voting had sweet FA to do with political motivation.
And it was only the (predominantly) middle class kids going to University that were going to cash in

For the many, and all that

Voting for Corbyn is fashionable, it probably got a load of young lads laid the last few weeks
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 19:29
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KelvinD,

For someone communicating over the Internet that is a very dumb question...
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 19:30
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The 'young' came out to vote because they were promised 'free stuff'. Them voting had sweet FA to do with political motivation.
It's statements such as this that makes one despair. Who told you that? The Daily Mail? The Torygraph? Young people? Do you know any young people?

My son, 23, and daughter, 19, voted Labour in a safe Labour seat because it represented the party that most met their views. Sorry about that. Maybe they were only two young people to do that.

Perhaps they think that smug, white, rich people living in the provinces vote Tory because they are incredibly selfish and resent every penny of tax they pay and have forgotten that they enjoyed (amongst other things) free university education, apprenticeships, a welfare state that worked, final salary pension schemes and affordable housing with a social housing alternative if needed.

But that would be wrong wouldn't it?

Edited to add EGLD

Voting for Corbyn is fashionable, it probably got a load of young lads laid the last few weeks
You are a total Jodrell!

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Old 12th Jun 2017, 19:58
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When I was 19 and 23 I didn't even know what I wanted for dinner

Kids fresh out of uni just want whatever it is their lecturers told them they want
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 20:18
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Originally Posted by EGLD View Post
Kids fresh out of uni just want whatever it is their lecturers told them they want
Eh??? - dunno what you did at uni, but my computer science lecturers didn't tell us what we wanted. And most of us knew better than them what the job market was like anyway, as we'd been doing vacation jobs and they were academics.
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 20:29
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Kids fresh out of uni just want whatever it is their lecturers told them they want
Hey, troll! My son didn't go to uni. Neither did I. Did you?
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 20:29
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When I was 19 and 23 I didn't even know what I wanted for dinner
Well well, here we go. So you are the benchmark for the rest of the world? I have to deal with 19 and 23 year olds rofessionally on a daily basis and based on that, I am sorry to break it to you, but you were obviously a late developer...

Kids fresh out of uni just want whatever it is their lecturers told them they want
Have you ever been inside an university and know what is going on there? Do you seriously believe that in law school, business school, medical school, the sciences all the lecturers have nothing better to do than rant about politics 24/7 than teach the subjects? You seem to believe that everybody at university is studying political science or philosophy - and even there, it is not a running commentary about current political affairs....
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Old 12th Jun 2017, 20:53
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Originally Posted by angels View Post
It's statements such as this that makes one despair. Who told you that? The Daily Mail? The Torygraph? Young people? Do you know any young people?

My son, 23, and daughter, 19, voted Labour in a safe Labour seat because it represented the party that most met their views. Sorry about that. Maybe they were only two young people to do that.

Perhaps they think that smug, white, rich people living in the provinces vote Tory because they are incredibly selfish and resent every penny of tax they pay and have forgotten that they enjoyed (amongst other things) free university education, apprenticeships, a welfare state that worked, final salary pension schemes and affordable housing with a social housing alternative if needed.

But that would be wrong wouldn't it?

Edited to add EGLD



You are a total Jodrell!
Oh dear oh dear, I apologise for using a bit of lateral thinking

Traditionally getting the youth of the UK into the voting booths has proved quite a difficult thing to achieve however this year strangely enough they seem to have come out in droves, now I wonder why that might have been?

6 reasons why Labour made history and won the Canterbury seat from the Conservatives | Kent Live

Take a look at reason number two and then ask yourself the question as to how a seat that has been firmly Conservative for 176 years suddenly goes to Labour?
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