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Old 7th Jun 2017, 06:11
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Just a little reminder of Corbyns voting record on anti terror legislation.

Those he voted against...

1984 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act: Outlawed NI terror groups.
1985 Updating the Prevention of Terrorism Act 1974: Gave emergency powers to police forces to quiz terror suspects travelling between Northern Ireland and Great Britain
1989 Elected Authorities (Northern Ireland) Act 1989: Law that requires candidates for election in local and Northern Ireland Assembly to declare they will never support terrorism
1989 Prevention of Terrorism (Temporary Provisions) Act: Banned support for the IRA and Irish National Liberation Army
1989 Security Service Act: Established legal basis of the UK Security Service for the first time – giving security services the function of protecting the UK from terrorism
1991 Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions): Allowed police to search sites for weapons and arms
1996 Northern Ireland (Emergency Provisions) Act: Banned possession of items for terrorists
1998 Criminal Justice (Terrorism and Conspiracy) Act: Stricter punishment for being a member of terror group following the Omagh bombing
2000 Terrorism Act: Redefined terrorism and gave police stop and search powers
2001 The Terrorism Act 2000 (Proscribed Organisations) (Amendment) Order: Statutory instrument banning Al-Qa’ida in a statutory instrument, 6 months before 9/11
2001 Anti-terrorism, Crime and Security Act: Following 9/11, indefinite holding without charge of suspects who cannot be deported.
2005 Prevention of Terrorism Act: Gave the Home Secretary the power to impose control orders on terror suspects
2006 Terrorism Act: Outlawed the “glorification” of terror following 7/7 bombings
2008 Counter-Terrorism Act: Banned communication of sensitive details about Armed Forces
2011 Terrorism Prevention and Investigation Measures Act: Replaced control orders with new powers to restrict the movement of suspects who could not be prosecuted or deported
2013 Justice and Security Act: Allowed secret hearings in courts on issues of national security
2014 Data Retention and Investigatory Powers Act: Gave police emergency access to phone and internet records

And the two he abstained on:

2003 Criminal Justice Act: Modernising the criminal justice system, allows offences to be tried by a judge sitting alone without a jury
2016 Investigatory Powers Bill: To allow the bulk interception of communications, equipment interference, subject to certain safeguards.

Regarding the 2016 Investigatory Power Bill, Keir Starmer, Labour Shadow Secretary, just told a direct lie on GMTV saying Corbyn voted for it.
He didn't, he was conveniently absent when the vote was taken.

Skewered by Piers Morgan, Starmer was exposed as a liar.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 06:36
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
---------------and it's going to sheet down with rain.
When a "community representative" has filled out your postal voting form for you weeks ago, the weather on the day doesn't really matter, does it?
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 08:23
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Just heard that Abbott has stood down, temporarily, as Shadow Home Secretary due to un named illness.

Her illness is easily diagnosed in my opinion as a severe case of lazy incompetence.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 08:42
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Originally Posted by ELondonPax View Post
Airbus and other large manufacturers won't cease production in the UK on the day we leave the EU.
One would rather imagine though that Boeing already have their lawsuits ready to go on day one of #brexshit if proper tariffs aren't charged on every component of an Airbus wing every time it goes backwards and forwards across the channel.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 08:48
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I can certainly understand Diane Abbott being as sick as a parrot after recent TV appearances. The Shadow Home Secretary could become the actual Home Secretary if the election goes his or her party's way, and for the sake of your party's chances you want someone who looks up to the job. Compare Abbott to Theresa May, who was the longest-serving Home Secretary on record (2010-16), and only lost that job by becoming Prime Minister.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 09:00
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Originally Posted by vctenderness View Post
Just heard that Abbott has stood down, temporarily, as Shadow Home Secretary due to un named illness.

Her illness is easily diagnosed in my opinion as a severe case of lazy incompetence.
The National Lottery have offered her a job as their random number generator.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 09:18
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I'm no fan of Diane Abbott, and would be the first to say that she has given some truly appalling interviews in recent weeks, but is this because she's dim-witted or incompetent, or is this because she has some underlying medical problem?

It would seem, from the prank that was played recently, that she may be diabetic. It seems quite possible that she may have now developed some underlying medical problems, perhaps related to this.

I would think that Jeremy Corbyn, and his team, would not wish to restrict her from doing what she wants to do, even if they knew that she was unwell, as that would align with their overall philosophy which puts people first and the country second. Perhaps she, herself, has now realised that she isn't up to the job at the present time.

If she is diabetic, then I would imagine that the irregular hours and meals from being on the campaign trail might make managing that condition challenging. I well remember a diabetic colleague whose only concession to his condition was that he had to stick to a fairly rigid schedule, planning ahead for meals, exercise etc quite carefully. I'd imagine that Diane Abbott may have found it hard to do this, given the fast changing state of affairs that she will have had to try to deal with over the past couple of weeks.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 09:28
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Diane Abbott to replace Rachel Riley on Countdown | SOUTHEND NEWS NETWORK
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 09:32
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A cursory examination of Abbotts physique shows no evidence of her going short of food.

BTW, I believe May is also diabetic.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 09:41
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
BTW, I believe May is also diabetic.
Yes, she is, Type 1, she mentioned it in passing in an interview a short while ago, I believe.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 10:17
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Corbyn seems to have abandoned the disabled vote. Replacing Abbott with Lyn Brown, he now has a Shadow Home Sec who attacked a blind journalist and his guide dog. Labour were forced to apologise for this.

Brown resigned from Corbyns Shadow Cabinet in June last year saying his position as Labour leader was untenable.
Beat that for a U turn!

I thought I would mention this as I doubt the BBC will!

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Old 7th Jun 2017, 10:51
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I can't believe there are people who would believe for one moment that Abbotts incompetence and laziness is a result of diabetes!

I am diabetic and my son is diabetic and we have both managed quite well to work unsocial hours with random eating opportunities without becoming incoherent and forgetful of important issues.

She has form on claiming to,be 'ill' to get out of sticky situations i.e. The Brexit vote where she was spotted drinking in the. Commons bar when apparently suffering from major migraine. Also spotted on mobile phone a short distance from the Woman's Hour studio when she was "too ill to appear on show".

She is a lying, incompetent and useless politician who should not be in the position she currently holds.

Home Secretary God help,us all!
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 10:59
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
A cursory examination of Abbotts physique shows no evidence of her going short of food.

BTW, I believe May is also diabetic.
Those could be examples of the different kinds of diabetes:
Type 1 is simply a failure to produce sufficient insulin.
Type 2 is associated with obesity and can include all the factors associated with Type 1 plus insulin resistance.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 11:16
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Those could be examples of the different kinds of diabetes:
Type 1 is simply a failure to produce sufficient insulin.
Type 2 is associated with obesity and can include all the factors associated with Type 1 plus insulin resistance.
Don't you realise that such a balanced post is of no interest to those who simply want to personally insult some parties while aggressively defending their own preferred tribes.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 11:20
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Interesting last few pages with ample evidence of the kind and caring nature of our right wing contributors. However it does, with the two previous posts, indicate just why 'Mother Teresa' has been such a roaring success in managing the reduction of immigration as per the manifesto promise and the provision of more police to keep us safe. Numbers, it would seem, are very difficult to manage if you suffer from diabetes! However, Mother T (or, more properly, the OZZIE brain import) has, at last, allowed Tweedledumb out of the hutch to offer incoherent bumblings and to apply schoolboy sneering innuendo at the Beeb's R4 presenter That he should have been installed in the Foreign Office begs belief at a level only matched by the top job election 'over the pond'. One can visualise, with a mounting sense of impending doom, the course of conversation between these two giants of the intellectual sphere!
However all is not lost - our true blue heroes will stride manfully into battle with the evils of the dreaded Continentals and their overwhelming charm and consideration for others will win the day and lead to the sunlit uplands of fairy tale endings ... or will it?
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 12:39
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I don't care, so long as the Conservatives end up with a hundred plus majority and Diane Abbott loses her deposit.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 12:57
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That he should have been installed in the Foreign Office begs belief at a level only matched by the top job election 'over the pond
So in your alternate reality we should replace Boris with Thornberry
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 13:07
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Originally Posted by Rob Courtney View Post
So in your alternate reality we should replace Boris with Thornberry
Ah, we could perhaps instead borrow the #brexit mantra:


"No foreign secretary is better than a bad foreign secretary."
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 13:14
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Having been a severe critic of Diane Abbott, I now do feel that there is most likely a medical condition involved, although not what some have speculated about. As a result of my suspicions I will no longer be criticising her.

However, who the hell is this replacement shadow Home Secretary that has been drafted in? Hardly confidence inspiring!! It just adds to the circus impression that that team portrays.
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Old 7th Jun 2017, 13:18
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Could the two main contenders in this election be summed up thus:

One has a monetary policy and the other has a money-tree policy?
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