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Old 5th Jun 2017, 19:26
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Where do we place the blame?

I am more and more convinced that the current situation regarding terrorist attacks in the U.K. Can be fairly placed on the policies of the Blair/Brown government.

I am not reffering to Iraq by the way. I mean by their mad cap idea of 'multi culturisim'. Printing leaflets in 20 different languages, encouraging people to remain in cultural ghettos, ignoring crime committed by ethnic monorities in case it offended the politically correct.

The burka should be banned. If you look at the female associates of the terrorists in recent incidents they all wear the burka. It is a symbol of division, a statement of we do not want to integrate with you!

Allowing scum like Ancham Choudrey to operate un challenged and feted by the likes of the BBC for years was madness.

It is possibly to late to rectify these mistakes but for sure Labour must hang their heads in shame for allowing this madness to develop.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 19:34
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Probably because she sees this as her get out of jail free opportunity and the chance to retire from the premiership.

The election was supposedly about Brexit, but there has been very little of that and a lot of other stuff instead, with those terror events quite rightly taking precedent, and although other parties have used the latest one in London to score points against May, which I find reprehensible, I also donít think she wants to win as she appears to have lost the will to continue the battle and can leave Brexit, or not to Brexit, to someone else.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 19:41
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I don't think putting the blame on individuals helps. The blame is allowing people to bring their culture to the uk and expecting the uk to change. Has this gone beyond the point of no return?
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 19:41
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I submit it has to do with the People of the UK....and the subset of those People who Vote in Elections at every level of government.

You get what you vote in.....and if you are in a minority.....you get what you fail to defeat at the Polls.

Then, once the Elections are over, if you do not stay engaged and active and make your concerns known....you become part of the problem yet again.

It is the same right here where I sit.....we see almost the exact same problems just dressed in a different style of dress....but the same none the less.

Until that situation is changed....we are doomed to see more of the same on both sides of the Salt Water Divide.

It is not a UK or USA thing....it cuts all across the board and Globe.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 19:48
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Corbyn has called on May to resign.
She can't.

The PM and Cabinet ministers are appointed by the queen. When Parliament is dissolved all MPs loose their seats so there are no possible replacements till after the election and when new MPs are sworn in and a new majority party or coalition is invited to form a government.

Being there is, constitionally, no one one to assume office, how can she possibly resign?

Accepting the fact the UK being leaderless, defenceless and ready for a communistic coup being one one of Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott's fantasy utopias is beside the point...
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 19:53
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The 2015 election resulted in a seven points difference between Conservatives and Labour. The opinion polls up to their last day had them equal. At the moment there is about five points difference so unless the polling system has changed markedly, and I doubt if it has, then the result will be a much larger majority than before.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 20:55
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Originally Posted by engineer(retard) View Post
Racedo

It all boils down to a simple couple of points.

Firstly, your assumption that the terrorist that says something that contradicts you is lying because he is a convicted scumbag, but the ones that Corbyn spoke to are telling the truth about not being terrorists even though they have been convicted.

Secondly, the only apparent reason for Corbyn to meet Sinn Fein was to demonstrate his political solidarity with their cause, which is why he voted against the Anglo Irish agreement. I don't care what Bertie Ahern did, he is not a member of the UK Government.

The constant attempts by Corbyn and his supporters to rewrite history are quite sickening:

Jeremy Corbyn can?t rewrite his reprehensible IRA history | City A.M.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/columnists/ruth-dudley-edwards/jeremy-corbyns-three-decades/-of-comfort-and-aid-to-the-provisionals-35727183.html

Therein lies you own ineptness

I see them all as terrorist scumbags.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, you happy to appease murderers becasue they spouting the same political views as you.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 21:12
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Things are getting really interesting...

Before the election was called no one in their right minds could have imagined Corbyn could win. (I certainly didn't and I can't stand Theresa May).

But now, after a year when all kinds of crazy unlikely stuff has happened, there are people around who believe in the impossible. (or else why all the Corbyn dirt that's just been dragged out.)

It could get interesting. Corbyn believes in a united Ireland and has no problem with an independent Scotland.

The FUK (Former United Kingdom) in ten years time? It could happen.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 21:19
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Originally Posted by Jetex_Jim View Post
It could get interesting. Corbyn believes in a united Ireland and has no problem with an independent Scotland.

The FUK (Former United Kingdom) in ten years time? It could happen.
Torys have done more to ensure a United Ireland and an Independent Scotland that anything Labour could have dreamed up.

When friends in NI of the Unionist persuasion talk about it now it is not done on a never in a million years, its maybe in 10 years.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 21:23
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Originally Posted by vctenderness View Post
I am more and more convinced that the current situation regarding terrorist attacks in the U.K. Can be fairly placed on the policies of the Blair/Brown government.

I am not reffering to Iraq by the way. I mean by their mad cap idea of 'multi culturisim'. Printing leaflets in 20 different languages, encouraging people to remain in cultural ghettos, ignoring crime committed by ethnic monorities in case it offended the politically correct.

The burka should be banned. If you look at the female associates of the terrorists in recent incidents they all wear the burka. It is a symbol of division, a statement of we do not want to integrate with you!

Allowing scum like Ancham Choudrey to operate un challenged and feted by the likes of the BBC for years was madness.

It is possibly to late to rectify these mistakes but for sure Labour must hang their heads in shame for allowing this madness to develop.
Good job there was zero immigration under Torys from 79-97..................... oh wait.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 21:30
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Ok, it's time for predictions. Mine ... Tory majority 96.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 21:33
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We spend too much time trying to allocate blaim and too little creating solutions.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 21:45
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Not possible to create solutions if you can't determine/agree the cause(s).
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 21:52
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
Ok, it's time for predictions. Mine ... Tory majority 96.
Mine - hung parliament followed by Labour/Tory coalition
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 23:44
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Ok, it's time for predictions. Mine ... Tory majority 96.
Tories by 60
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 04:38
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Ah, yes, predictions......

https://www.theguardian.com/global/c...ction-campaign
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 06:03
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Diane got out of the box again. Handlers obviously didn't nail down the lid well enough......

https://order-order.com/2017/06/05/d...terror-report/
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 06:05
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Labour Uncut: Polls: Labour’s surging. Non-London doorstep: It’s a “nuclear winter for Labour.” Party braces for worst

"Just over two weeks ago I posted a projection of huge losses for Labour – over 90 seats – based on dozens of conversations with activists, candidates and officials who cumulatively had sight of tens of thousands of canvass returns. Since then, I’ve continued those conversations as Labour has apparently surged in the polls. The result is a marked improvement in London but precious little to cheer about outside the capital.

The last few weeks have seen a strong rise in Labour promises in key seats across London, although constituencies such as Dagenham and Eltham remain very difficult. But in the West Midlands, Yorkshire, North West and the North East, any improvement has been nugatory. One campaigner from London who spent time in the North East last week described it as a “nuclear winter for Labour.”

The doorstep returns outside of London are saying that Labour is still running substantially below its 2015 vote, that Ukip votes are transferring in huge numbers to the Tories with losses in prospect of the mid-60s to mid-90s and a lingering possibility that the situation could be even worse come Thursday.........

In every seat, canvassers are encountering lifelong Labour supporters who still identify with the party but not Jeremy Corbyn. This group tends to have voted for Ed Miliband reluctantly and are now either sitting out this contest or ready to vote Tory for the first time to prevent a Corbyn premiership. These switchers represent a new generation of shy Tories, located deep inside Labour’s core vote. They are embarrassed at voting Tory, sufficiently so to deny their intent to friends, families and pollsters. Some of the older Labour officials and campaigners have reported familiar doorstep cadences from 1992 – “It’s in the eyes,” one said to me.

One last point is worth noting in judging what is happening on the ground. The Tories do not look like a party that thinks Labour is threatening a range of their seats in England, which is what the polls suggest. Based on what Mark Textor said after the 2015 election, we know something of what they are doing. Large scale nightly polling, targeted at specific seats, with questioning framed as per the quote above. At this stage in the campaign, postal votes – which are have been sampled over the past 5 days, giving them an idea of actual vote performance – will also be factored into the mix. This is then used to shape their social media targeting on Facebook, local newspaper ad buys and visit schedule for the cabinet and leader.

Last Friday, Theresa May visited Doncaster. Specifically she was in Don Valley, Caroline Flint’s constituency, a seat where Labour led the Tories by 21% in 2015. On Saturday, she was in Penistone and Stockbridge, Angela Smith’s seat, where won by 14% over the Tories in 2015. Tonight, May was in Bradford South, a seat where Judith Cummins beat her Tory opponent by 17% in 2015. The fear of Labour officials and candidates, particularly in the West Midlands, North East, North West and Yorkshire, is that if the Tories are on course to flip seats like Don Valley, many more could be vulnerable. One official in Yorkshire told Uncut that a string of Morley and Outwoods – the seat Ed Balls lost in 2015 – was on the cards for 2017.

The polls might be right. There could be a surge of young voters that rewrite general election rules. This could be the first contest in living memory where a party increases its rating by so much during the short campaign. Labour could be about to poll near its 1997 level at the general election. After Corbyn’s triumph in the Labour leadership, Brexit and Trump, the old certainties no longer hold sway. This is certainly the desperate hope of Labour candidates up and down the country. Rarely have so many, who have worked so hard knocking doors, hoped that they’re so wrong.

But the evidence from Labour’s own data and the Tories’ campaigning choices is compelling and it suggests that they are not."
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 06:13
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Stephen Hawking's voting labour.

Does this mean all his previous work is invalid?
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Old 6th Jun 2017, 06:17
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He has a deep and abiding interest in black holes - out of which it is impossible for coherent information to escape......

Just edited to say that I was not intentionally referring to Diane Abbott....

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