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Old 4th Jun 2017, 08:08
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After the latest attack, the government and security services will​ hold another COBRA meeting.

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Old 4th Jun 2017, 08:35
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There is no doubt that the attacks are election related. However who benefits, if anyone, politically is another matter. I think Corbyn can justify talking to the IRA because history proved that talking to them was the way to settle the issue.

That certainly isn't the case with ISIS. Nobody believes that being nice to them will make a jot of difference. Similarly I very much doubt that many people believe that UK foreign policy has been a factor in this. What amazes me is the continuing attempt to divorce Islam from the situation.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 08:38
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 08:52
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Where is Labours Shadow Home Secretary, Diane Abbott?

Given her position she must have an opinion on the London attack?

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Old 4th Jun 2017, 09:02
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
There is no doubt that the attacks are election related. However who benefits, if anyone, politically is another matter. I think Corbyn can justify talking to the IRA because history proved that talking to them was the way to settle the issue.
Talking was a way to settle the issue eventually but you don't need wild cards randomly interjecting, that's dangerous. Also Corbyn was not involved in the peace process, he was aligning himself with Sinn Feins political views.

According to Shawcroft, we should have cups of tea with ISIS, nobody knows what Corbyn would do because he avoids the question. He certainly exhibits muddled thinking about whether they are terrorists.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 09:54
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Coming to terms with the IRA might have been influenced to some extent by most of the top anti terrorist advisors being wiped out in a tragic helicopter crash.

I suppose similar moves will be considered when the Houses of Parliament are destroyed by a terrorist attack in the middle of Prime Ministers Questions.

Appeasement and negotiation will not work. Time to start reinvesting in the armed forces and put a Police Force back on the streets, because we certainly haven't been getting the service we require.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 14:12
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Appeasement and Negotiations By Neville Chamberlin gave us time to build defences and improve offensive capabilities against an enemy that had rapidly and secretly armed itself. His actions allowed the rest of the world time to prepare for victory.
Our best weapons against this present perversion of Gods word and ideology are the well thought out books of theologians like Thomas Aquinas and the Gospel. They could abandon violence and their hearts could find and embrace peace through the Gospels.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 14:34
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I'm beginning to wonder if the spate of terrorist attacks here might be related to the coming election. Clearly they are disrupting the process, and that alone may be enough of a reason for those who support a non-democratic ideology to act, but there may well be a deeper motive.

I'm not sure that it's just coincidence that Jeremy Corbyn has done better since the Manchester attack than he was doing before, and there seems little doubt that, as a pacifist at heart, UK foreign policy might be expected to change considerably if his party got into power.

Could it be that those who are orchestrating these attacks, those hidden from our eyes, but almost certainly closely connected with IS and it's very extensive and effective propaganda machine, are trying to influence the election result?

This may well be stretching things, but I can see how a well-organised, social media-savvy, organisation, like IS, might well want to see a scaling down of UK military capability, something that would be almost certain to happen under a far left government.
I can hardly believe what is being said by, I had assumed well educated and sensible people. Yes emotions are running high following the latest murders and attempted murders in our capital. However, the only person who has had direct influence on the situation is the former Home Secretary.
These murderers have not just become twisted, I will not call it radicalised. They will have been so over a period of time.
In the short term there is little that can be done to put a stop to their hatred of the country they live in.
Our prime tool will be using enhanced technology to assess, analyse and identify those who seek to do us harm. Yes it will require much greater resources but who would argue against that being allocated asap. Remember it is the holy month and there is a pattern to such attacks and we must use ALL available data to identify risk.
In the meantime I take comfort from reading the latest air strikes on the MoD website.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 14:34
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
See the difference though - the Tories invite ex-terrorists who have renounced violence to their conference, Corbyn is friends with Terrorists who haven't renounced violence and goes to functions to honor terrorists killed on active service.
So who has HMG been pally with for last 2 decades but Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness.................... hell McGuinness even met the Queen on a couple of occasions.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 14:49
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Originally Posted by engineer(retard) View Post
Best you ask Corbyn, he changed his tune and said that he might have met IRA members but they told him they weren't really in the group. So he is either an idiot or lying, take your pick.
As Police haven't proven someone was in IRA and they have more access to evdience than a lowly back bencher is quote free to meet with anybody.
If they say they weren't members of an organisation he is quite free to accept that unless Police can prove otherwise.
Police have as of yet not proven otherwise.

Funny that you castigated O'Connell and find him untrustworthy because he is a convicted terrorist but support Corbyn meeting convicted terrorists who tell him they weren't really terrorists and he believes them.
At least get his name right.

O'Callaghan is a self confessed murderer, he accepted money from whomever was paying him be it PIRA / Irish Police / UK Police, then he goes and starts getting paid for by Ulster Unionist Party and anybody who will pay him.
He still claims that IRA are out to kill him yet strangely this isn't backed up by anybody including Metropolitan police.

I find O'Callaghan untrustworthy because 2 different branches of UK police, namely RUC and HMG Investigation by Sir John Stevens found him untrustworthy and a liar.

Agreed he never claimed to be negotiating, it was Owen Jones and the other Corbyn supporters who made that claim to big him up. It's a matter of record that he voted against the Anglo Irish agreement and expressed his support for a United Ireland.
Before becoming Irish Prime Minister, Bertie Ahearn voted against Anglo Irish Agreement, he also negotiated Good Friday Agreement in 1998............
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 14:55
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McGuinness even met the Queen on a couple of occasions.
At their last meeting...

McTerror-ness: "Are you well?"

HMQ: "Well, I'm still alive!"
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 15:02
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
Coming to terms with the IRA might have been influenced to some extent by most of the top anti terrorist advisors being wiped out in a tragic helicopter crash.
Tragic for whom ?

All the people (excluding air crew) who died had a financial interest in no peace process occurring. Amazing how they get everybody in an aircraft at the same time and it crashes killing everybody.

A lady working with at the time from East Belfast, came from a military and police family in NI, said morning after the crash that it definitely wasn't PIRA before any official statements.
Also remarked how convenient that a lot of housekeeping was been done all at the same time............. she just wondered who signed off on the kill order.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 18:17
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Racedo

It all boils down to a simple couple of points.

Firstly, your assumption that the terrorist that says something that contradicts you is lying because he is a convicted scumbag, but the ones that Corbyn spoke to are telling the truth about not being terrorists even though they have been convicted.

Secondly, the only apparent reason for Corbyn to meet Sinn Fein was to demonstrate his political solidarity with their cause, which is why he voted against the Anglo Irish agreement. I don't care what Bertie Ahern did, he is not a member of the UK Government.

The constant attempts by Corbyn and his supporters to rewrite history are quite sickening:

http://www.cityam.com/265655/jeremy-...le-ira-history

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/op...-35727183.html
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 18:44
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
she just wondered who signed off on the kill order.
Same person who did Princess Di. The signatures took place on an island. Fantasy Island!

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Old 4th Jun 2017, 18:53
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If yesterday's attack had taken place a couple of weeks later, we could have been listening to Abbott and Corbyn laying out their strategy to deal with terrorists. The thought sends shivers down my spine, we would be better off with Abbott and Costello.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 19:23
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If I wake on Friday and hear Corbyn won, I am straight down to the solicitor and gifting my garden to my labour loving nephew
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 21:18
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
So who has HMG been pally with for last 2 decades but Gerry Adams and Martin McGuinness.................... hell McGuinness even met the Queen on a couple of occasions.
Again - Queenie met with Adams and McGuinness after they had renounced violence and embraced democracy

On the other hand Corbyn was joining them at the height of the IRA's terrorist campaign to honor their dead..
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 21:19
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Originally Posted by engineer(retard) View Post
If yesterday's attack had taken place a couple of weeks later, we could have been listening to Abbott and Corbyn laying out their strategy to deal with terrorists. The thought sends shivers down my spine, we would be better off with Abbott and Costello.
I'm waiting for Corbyn to start criticizing the Met's shoot to kill policy again..
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 07:55
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
I'm waiting for Corbyn to start criticizing the Met's shoot to kill policy again..
Corbyn would do better by discussing May's record of reducing police funding.

https://www.ft.com/content/701d1c2a-...4-c742b9791d43

Theresa May’s immediate reaction on Sunday was to raise the prospect of tougher powers for police and security services. However, some police chiefs warn that their forces — which suffered budget cuts of more than 20 per cent during Mrs May’s time in the Home Office — simply do not have the manpower to manage the evolving threat.
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Old 5th Jun 2017, 08:00
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Originally Posted by Jetex_Jim View Post
Corbyn would do better by discussing May's record of reducing police funding.

https://www.ft.com/content/701d1c2a-...4-c742b9791d43
It would be a strong suit for him given the amount of times he has been arrested himself.
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