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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 20:38
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The Times is reporting that Diane Abbott is to be kept away from media appearances, unless she has a minder, to stop her giving further car crash interviews.
This is Labours aspirant Home Secretary.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 20:44
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
So you agree she's useless unless compared to muppets? I despise Blair, but as a player, he confirms she's a muppet! Not a great choice then...

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No comparison whatsoever. May gained a second class degree in Geography. Her level is clearly that of a council planning officer.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 21:04
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Wonder what you would consider Corbyn's level would be on the basis of your calculation of May's:

Corbyn was educated at Castle House Preparatory School, an independent school near Newport, Shropshire, before attending Adams' Grammar School as a day student.

While still at school, he became active in The Wrekin constituency Young Socialists, his local Labour Party, and the League Against Cruel Sports.

He achieved two E-grade A-Levels before leaving school at 18. Corbyn joined the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) in 1966 whilst at school and later became one of its three vice-chairs.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 21:06
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
... second class degree in Geography. Her level is clearly that of a council planning officer.
... plus years of professional qualifications as you work your way up.


At the top level a "council planning officer" can be making decisions[#] about developments worth hundreds of millions of pounds, and then defending them in court against seriously expensive barristers. (Which the council can't, obviously, afford to match.)


[#] Yes I know that in theory it's the councillors that make the decisions. Done properly, councillors and officers talk to each other and end up with the right answer. Done wrong, the council officer ends up in court having to defend a clearly bonkers councillor decision whilst pretending to believe in it - normally councillors take the flak for bonkers decision making, but planning is a rare exception which leaves officers carrying the can.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 21:15
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Originally Posted by Exrigger View Post
Wonder what you would consider Corbyn's level would be on the basis of your calculation of May's:
Especially given his privileged upbringing.
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 21:45
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Originally Posted by engineer(retard) View Post
You value Blairs opinion?
That's what you read from my post was it? Maybe read it again?

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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 21:56
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
That's what you read from my post was it? Maybe read it again?

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Still looks the same
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 22:00
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Originally Posted by engineer(retard) View Post
Still looks the same
Get an adult to explain it to you.

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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 22:11
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Originally Posted by charliegolf View Post
Get an adult to explain it to you.

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Let me know if there's any in your vicinity
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Old 3rd Jun 2017, 22:24
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Originally Posted by Effluent Man View Post
The big fear for the Tories is a result that leaves them back where they started. It's an outside chance, but what a hoo hah would ensue if St Theresa was returned with a single figure majority.
That would be excellent.
1. The hard Brexit MP's would be able to block any concessions to the EU in the 'negotiations'.
2. The Labour party would be stuck with Corbyn unable to ditch him (and Abbott!)
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 00:29
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That he is a convicted murderer..........................yup
Seems the ideal candidate to be a member of the IRA and a friend of Mr Corbyn..
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 00:45
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Originally Posted by engineer(retard) View Post
He has a mandate to negotiate with the IRA for the People's Republic of Islington North, as opposed to the UK?
He was meeting with represenatives of Sinn Fein who are elected by people in GB & NI.

He is nor claimed to be negotiating with anybody in same way that a couple of MPs visiting Saudi Arabia are not negotiating for British Govt.

MPs are quite free to meet and discuss anything with anybody.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 00:49
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Originally Posted by engineer(retard) View Post
No, that he was paid to lie for the Spectator article.
Convicted terrorist who killed a female British Army reservist and executed a police man in own home then accepted money and rewards from Irish police, then UK police. Proven to be a liar by RUC and also by a UK Chief Constable investigating collusion between security forces and loyalists is not really someone you want to hang onto as being a paragon of truth.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 01:06
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So, come on, all you 'buckets of sunshine' warriors, let us into your secret desires to incinerate large portions of the earth - which SPECIFIC group, country, race or other takes your fancy: do you just want to do it for the HELL of it?? ... or is it just JC who you feel doesn't have the guts to speak up?
As an aside Jack, it is not necessary to turn entire countries into a toxic waste these days. Technological advances have brought us the multi war headed missile, each war head of limited capability that can be independently targeted with the intention of neutralising vital targets, such as missile launch sites, naval dockyards, airfields, military assembly points and the likely bunkers of the leaders. This kind of attack would, hopefully, leave the food growing areas and much of the population still intact and able to continue without any pressing need to visit the targets sites. The sort of thing that might be envisioned for North Korea if they can't be brought to order in any other way.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 01:11
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Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
Seems the ideal candidate to be a member of the IRA and a friend of Mr Corbyn..
He was but now he is feted as some kind of hero............

Murderer served IRA and Garda but mostly himself

He was not a double murderer as originally claimed he was a triple murderer who happily was feted by Tory MPs in 2007 at their conference.

Seemingly because he makes his living now by claiming to have given up PIRA his 3 murders get conveniently overlooked.

If Lee Rigby's murderer gave up Islam would Torys be inviting him to a conference, after all he only killed 1 person.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 02:35
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
He was but now he is feted as some kind of hero............

Murderer served IRA and Garda but mostly himself

He was not a double murderer as originally claimed he was a triple murderer who happily was feted by Tory MPs in 2007 at their conference.

Seemingly because he makes his living now by claiming to have given up PIRA his 3 murders get conveniently overlooked.

If Lee Rigby's murderer gave up Islam would Torys be inviting him to a conference, after all he only killed 1 person.
See the difference though - the Tories invite ex-terrorists who have renounced violence to their conference, Corbyn is friends with Terrorists who haven't renounced violence and goes to functions to honor terrorists killed on active service.
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 06:41
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In support if the case by the New Statesman in my post #9809, this from today's Sunday Times.

I will add that a further problem for Labour is that the surge is in the university constituencies where, as with Sussex Uni, they ran large campaigns to get all the students to register locally on their website - which produced much of the surge. But the academic term finished at the end of May and all the students have gone home, and few registered postal ballots. I wonder how many will travel back on the 8th to vote.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...eats-0ncpvp7cw

"Jeremy Corbyn’s hopes of benefiting from a last-minute surge in newly registered young voters may be dashed, research by The Sunday Times suggests.

Almost 3m people have signed up to vote since the election was called on April 18, figures show. Nearly 70% of them are under 35 and more than a third are under 25, groups that strongly favour Labour. On May 22 alone, the last day of registration, 622,000 people enrolled to vote, of whom 453,000 were under 35. A constituency-by-constituency analysis of the surge suggests that it has occurred disproportionately in safe seats where it will increase the votes for Labour without changing the outcome. In only a few cases — including the Hastings and Rye seat of the home secretary, Amber Rudd — has the surge occurred in marginal seats where Labour is either fighting off or targeting the Tories.....

The Sunday Times obtained final or near-final figures for constituency electorates from returning officers on Thursday and Friday. They show huge rises since 2015 in many student, London and middle-class seats — but much smaller rises, or none at all, in northern, Midlands and working-class marginals where Labour is defending against the Tories.

In Yorkshire there has been a rise of almost 8,000 voters — nearly 10% — in Leeds Central, which is dominated by the city’s universities, and a 7.2% rise in the student-focused Sheffield Central. Both seats are already Labour with majorities of about 17,000. By contrast in Wakefield, where Labour has only a 2,600 majority, the electorate has fallen since 2015. In Labour’s other working-class Yorkshire marginals, Halifax and Dewsbury, the number of voters has risen, but by only 1% and 2% respectively. Similar patterns apply across the country, with large voter increases in safe seats such as Lewisham Deptford, Greenwich and Woolwich, Birkenhead and City of Durham, but much lower or no increases in nearby Labour marginals such as Eltham, Wirral West and Darlington.

Data obtained from 43 of Labour’s 50 most vulnerable seats shows that only one, Lancaster and Fleetwood, had a surge in its electorate — of 7.2% — probably from Lancaster University. A further four seats had rises of 3-4%. However, the majority had rises of less than 2% and in nine of the 43 seats electorates have fallen. Of Tory-held marginals, Rudd’s seat, where the electorate is up by 5.1%, is unusual. More typical is Ed Balls’s former constituency of Morley and Outwood, with a far lower rise in its electorate than the safe Labour seats around it......"
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 07:37
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Convicted terrorist who killed a female British Army reservist and executed a police man in own home then accepted money and rewards from Irish police, then UK police. Proven to be a liar by RUC and also by a UK Chief Constable investigating collusion between security forces and loyalists is not really someone you want to hang onto as being a paragon of truth.
Yep but where is your evidence that he was being paid to lie?
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Old 4th Jun 2017, 07:47
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
He was meeting with represenatives of Sinn Fein who are elected by people in GB & NI.

He is nor claimed to be negotiating with anybody in same way that a couple of MPs visiting Saudi Arabia are not negotiating for British Govt.

MPs are quite free to meet and discuss anything with anybody.
Best you ask Corbyn, he changed his tune and said that he might have met IRA members but they told him they weren't really in the group. So he is either an idiot or lying, take your pick.

Funny that you castigated O'Connell and find him untrustworthy because he is a convicted terrorist but support Corbyn meeting convicted terrorists who tell him they weren't really terrorists and he believes them.

Agreed he never claimed to be negotiating, it was Owen Jones and the other Corbyn supporters who made that claim to big him up. It's a matter of record that he voted against the Anglo Irish agreement and expressed his support for a United Ireland.

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Old 4th Jun 2017, 08:54
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I'm beginning to wonder if the spate of terrorist attacks here might be related to the coming election. Clearly they are disrupting the process, and that alone may be enough of a reason for those who support a non-democratic ideology to act, but there may well be a deeper motive.

I'm not sure that it's just coincidence that Jeremy Corbyn has done better since the Manchester attack than he was doing before, and there seems little doubt that, as a pacifist at heart, UK foreign policy might be expected to change considerably if his party got into power.

Could it be that those who are orchestrating these attacks, those hidden from our eyes, but almost certainly closely connected with IS and it's very extensive and effective propaganda machine, are trying to influence the election result?

This may well be stretching things, but I can see how a well-organised, social media-savvy, organisation, like IS, might well want to see a scaling down of UK military capability, something that would be almost certain to happen under a far left government.
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