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Old 31st May 2017, 21:38
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Originally Posted by Cazalet33 View Post
She's actually quite wise, if spectacularly cowardly, to avoid getting into a debate.

She knows she's crap at debating and crap at thinking on her feet.

She's playing to her strength: incumbency.
Whereas Corbyn sticks to his principles, except when he doesn't.
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Old 31st May 2017, 21:38
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Originally Posted by Dutystude View Post
So TM is running scared. Another nail in the Tory coffin.

Can't understand why you are not more pleased K&C
'Cos we're going to get a Trot instead?
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Old 31st May 2017, 21:39
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
'Cos we're going to get a Trot instead?
That would be funny if they actually had to deliver something instead of protesting.
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Old 31st May 2017, 23:15
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Originally Posted by engineer(retard) View Post
Did Paisley, Whitelaw, then various UK PMs deny meeting them afterwards?

Jeremy Corbyn insists 'I never met the IRA' in grilling by BBC's Andrew Neil | The Independent

If he was trying to facilitate the peace processs ( even though he had no mandate), why didn't he also attend Loyalist and Servicemens funerals?
Paisley never claimed he met IRA. IRA never claimed they met Paisley.

Paisley met and sat down with members of Sinn Fein, they may (likely) have been members of PIRA but that was up to security services to prove and seemingly they were unable to prove it.

As for facilitating the peace process............. what mandate had John Hume and and Fr Alex Reid when they abused for talking to Sinn Fein in late 1980's ?
Press and politicians in UK abused them for even daring to talk,

Chucking up pictures of him with Martin McGuinness won't work after all wasn't Theresa May saying this just 10 weeks ago
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/p...tin-mcguinness

and wasn't the Queen willing to shake his hand.

The point about abusing people on their past is that it come back to bite
'I was kind of a torturer in Northern Ireland', admits Conservative MP and ex-Army officer Bob Stewart
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Old 31st May 2017, 23:30
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I wonder how many knee caps Col Bob put a bullet/drill through in his time or how many people he 'disappeared'.

I listened to his chat on "I was a kind of torturer' and attempting to equate his actions with those of the IRA butchers is quite daft.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 00:09
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"Strong & stable"? Don't make me laugh. A giraffe on an ice rink would be a more apt description. There are some of Corbyns beliefs that I profoundly disagree with but he actually believes in what he says. She is just a two faced snake, a classic politician. I'm not surprised, her Daddy was a vicar after all. Same skill set and all that.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 02:37
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The Prime Minister's refusal to crawl in the gutter with the rest of the political vermin for the sake of popular entertainment makes her the only person worthy of being elected. Only one more week to go until the loonie left, the EU remainers and the media luvvies are safely locked back in their padded cells for another five years.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 05:25
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We are where we are. Within a week we will be on the brink of handing over our future to Mrs May, a cold and petulant incompetent in the pockets of right-wing extremism hell-bent on wrecking our country and jeopardizing our way of life. Events are proving her and the Tory party completely unfitted to run the country let alone take on the Brexit negotiations. That must not happen. The only hope we all have rests on Corbyn and despite torrents of personal abuse he has proved that he has the mettle to take on the task. For the sake of ourselves and that of our children we must bite the bullet and vote Labour.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 05:30
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For the sake of ourselves and that of our children we must bite the bullet and vote Labour.
He and his"team" would be a complete and utter disaster for the country!
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 06:15
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Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut View Post
For the sake of ourselves and that of our children we must bite the bullet and vote Labour.
Corbyns favourite heroes prefer the bomb and the bullet. He worships their ideals and way of doing things.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 06:34
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Originally Posted by G0ULI View Post
The Prime Minister's refusal to crawl in the gutter with the rest of the political vermin for the sake of popular entertainment makes her the only person worthy of being elected. Only one more week to go until the loonie left, the EU remainers and the media luvvies are safely locked back in their padded cells for another five years.
If a "well known lager brand" could produce truly idiomatic, declamatory and such an eloquently phrased synopsise this offering would win an award...as it is, only Mail readers will swoon in delight.

Who watched the debate then or rather, who watched and listened to the debate throughout...... some probably turned off when the issues being discussed didn't fall neatly into their rapture of Tory dogma....no point in listening to opinions which have a complexity beyond their limitations after all..... and the Mail's headlines duly scream "Bias ! " this morning.

True, I did channel hop because "Springwatch " was also aired at the same time, but there were some telling comments from Caroline Lucas, and Tim Farron about, erm, leadership.....which Theresa lacks and always has done.

Autocracy is not the same....for the benefit of her adulating disciples on here.

As for "U" turns, we seem to have forgotten the most obvious one...."No general election ".....still, that's "strong and (un )stable" for you.

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Old 1st Jun 2017, 07:16
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
Paisley never claimed he met IRA. IRA never claimed they met Paisley.

Paisley met and sat down with members of Sinn Fein, they may (likely) have been members of PIRA but that was up to security services to prove and seemingly they were unable to prove it.

As for facilitating the peace process............. what mandate had John Hume and and Fr Alex Reid when they abused for talking to Sinn Fein in late 1980's ?
Press and politicians in UK abused them for even daring to talk,

Chucking up pictures of him with Martin McGuinness won't work after all wasn't Theresa May saying this just 10 weeks ago
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/p...tin-mcguinness

and wasn't the Queen willing to shake his hand.

The point about abusing people on their past is that it come back to bite
'I was kind of a torturer in Northern Ireland', admits Conservative MP and ex-Army officer Bob Stewart
A very long way of saying nothing Racedo. Corbyn denied he ever met the IRA, he lied.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 07:18
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
I wonder how many knee caps Col Bob put a bullet/drill through in his time or how many people he 'disappeared'.

I listened to his chat on "I was a kind of torturer' and attempting to equate his actions with those of the IRA butchers is quite daft.
Quite so, it's a sign of desperation. Any teacher that has made children stand in a corner is "a kind of torturer".
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 07:22
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Originally Posted by Mr Oleo Strut View Post
The only hope we all have rests on Corbyn and despite torrents of personal abuse he has proved that he has the mettle to take on the task. For the sake of ourselves and that of our children we must bite the bullet and vote Labour.
If Corbyn gets in you had better save the bullet for yourself, he has never delivered anything other than a protest vote. Even his own party didn't give him a public office and the PLP tried to get shot of him.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 08:18
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Interesting article on why the current opinion polls vary so widely on the result.

Short story, after getting the result of the last election wrong they all changed their modelling algorithms in different ways, in particular those that show the closest result now assume a high youth turnout - the age group which most strongly support Corbyn and Labour, especially ComRes and Survation.

Why the pollsters can't agree on UK election - POLITICO

We will find out which have adjusted their model the right way after the election, but I will interject this comment from Andrew Cooper on why they miscalled the result of the more recent referendum.....

https://capx.co/free-exchange-capx-meets-andrew-cooper/

...."“When we looked at the demographic profile of the people who had applied to go on to the electoral register in order to vote, it was very heavily skewed towards younger people. The incidence of 18-34s among those new registrants was more than twice what it is among the population. That gave us reassurance that those people really were going to do what they said they were going to do. And what actually happened is that a lot of young people joined the register and then didn’t vote.”.......
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 08:47
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And what actually happened is that a lot of young people joined the register and then didnít vote.Ē.......
And they know this because? Another poll?
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 08:48
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a lot of young people joined the register and then didnít vote
This time around the promise of the end of student fees and loans with a maintenance Grant to replace the loans.

With 50% of youngsters in Higher Education that is some bloody big incentive to vote!
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 08:57
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As somewhere in the region of 50% of those who go to Uni never earn the 21k per annum required to pay back any of their tuition fees this barking plan just means more a more kids are going to take the 3 years on the piss option to "study" Underwater Basketweaving.

A 3 year party to get a useless degree that enables you to earn burger flipper wages and us tax payers foot the bill, utter madness.
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Old 1st Jun 2017, 09:22
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
As somewhere in the region of 50% of those who go to Uni never earn the 21k per annum required to pay back any of their tuition fees this barking plan just means more a more kids are going to take the 3 years on the piss option to "study" Underwater Basketweaving.

A 3 year party to get a useless degree that enables you to earn burger flipper wages and us tax payers foot the bill, utter madness.
How many of us grumpy old men that are posting here are/were pilots?

I remember a trainer retiring on his final salary pension when I was a copilot in the early nineties, even then he would be receiving around £60k in RETIREMENT.

Yet 27 years later this post reveals the reality for most people, an admission that most graduates, the higher earners, would struggle to make even 21k that triggers the paying back of loans.

How bad is your own situation really?

Amber Rudd, Theresa May and many of the others on the conservative front bench are millionaires. I would suggest that they, as many posters here, have not the ability to put themselves in the shoes of those less fortunate than themselves. 'I bloody well managed, so why can't they?' Seems to be the underlying mantra.

I would suggest being thankful for our own situation, and less judgmental of others, would bring more joy into our lives.

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Old 1st Jun 2017, 09:38
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
And they know this because? Another poll?
Because when you register to vote you have to give your age, and since when you actually vote you are crossed off a voting list then it is easy to work out.
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