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Old 5th May 2017, 20:21
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A General Election prediction:

I predict that Theresa May will get the biggest majority in the forthcoming election of any political party in my lifetime.

I don't relish the prospect, as I firmly believe we need a strong opposition for government to be held to account in parliament, however I'm even more convinced now that we will see a massive Conservative landslide in the forthcoming election.

The thing that's convinced me is not the results in England and Wales, they were to be expected given the collapse of UKIP and Labour, its the gains in Scotland, gains that were pretty much wholly unexpected.
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Old 5th May 2017, 20:30
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I voted LibDem yesterday
Same here VP, our local Lib Dem is very commited to the community and keeps us well informed.
Won't vote for them in the GE though, just imagine Farron as PM
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Old 5th May 2017, 20:35
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Honesty is over rated. You want effective politicians. LD look away now.
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Old 5th May 2017, 20:57
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Originally Posted by Mr Optimistic View Post
In the general election there will be the added disadvantage for Labour that voting for them gets Corbyn. I reckon it's worse for them than it looks.
Since taking office Mrs May has absolutely run rings round the opposition parties and has outsmarted them one and all at every turn.

The whole of the Brexit process to date has been a non stop succession of 'you put up a fence and i will knock it down' political astuteness but this latest master class manoeuvre is sheer tactical genius.

It has been suggested for months now that she should call a general election but she waits and waits, all the time setting Corbyn and Sturgeon up for the kill and then calls a snap election for just a few weeks after last nights local elections.

Having shown Corbyn to be nothing more than a bumbling idiot and highlighting his absolute unpopularity and complete unsuitability for office and placing Sturgeon firmly back in her box it was hardly surprising that last nights results went the way they did.

She simply needs to do more of the same over the coming weeks and this outstanding and well thought out trap is going to bear the exact fruit it was set for.

Corbyn, Farron and Sturgeon may well do their best to try spin it otherwise but they have all been totally outsmarted by a far smarter opponent who now needs do no more than sit back and let the Corbyn and Abbot act bury Labour for once and for all.
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Old 5th May 2017, 21:09
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I think the reception of the budget forced her hand. She is a hostage to the manifesto and realised she needs to be free of that. Beyond that, and as to her worth, I don't know. They need to widen the tax base and get a grip of public expectations.
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Old 5th May 2017, 21:35
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Originally Posted by Trossie View Post
Let's get the first of the good news from KnC's favourite source:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-labour-losses.

Note however, how they deflect the real results (the collapse of Labour) by highlighting the poor results of a party (UKIP) that was less than one-twentieth of the size of Labour in seats won in the last local government elections!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...lections,_2013

This election is a mirror of 2013 Local elections in England................
UKIP won 147 councillors then, Labour won 538.

147 is not 5% of 538............... try 27%.

At least attempt to compare like with like.
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Old 5th May 2017, 21:41
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The GE will be all about leadership qualities and it's easy street for her. Fallon is an apprentice and Corbyn resembles a man who can barely dress himself.
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Old 5th May 2017, 22:27
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Originally Posted by Local Variation View Post
The GE will be all about leadership qualities and it's easy street for her. Fallon is an apprentice and Corbyn resembles a man who can barely dress himself.
No its not

If it was about leaderhip qualities there is no party leader that would be even standing.

The GE is all about Spin, as it has always been, zero substance and spin.

Getting people to believe your spin and not the others.
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Old 5th May 2017, 23:01
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Originally Posted by racedo View Post
No its not

If it was about leaderhip qualities there is no party leader that would be even standing.

The GE is all about Spin, as it has always been, zero substance and spin.

Getting people to believe your spin and not the others.
Yes, but the personality of the leaders is also a big thing. Our celebrity obsessed culture demands it. Policies matter naught, all you have to do is look good on TV. Hence Teresa May repeating "strong and stable" over and over like a robot because Lynton Crosby thinks that what voters want to hear, while Jeremy Corbyn is slated for looking like a geography teacher and Tim Farron gets a kicking for being anti-gay. Soundbites rule and policies are not required.
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Old 6th May 2017, 06:33
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The LibDems have a cunning election plan...

"Vote for us and we'll hit you with a tax rise".

Not really thought that one out, have they?
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Old 6th May 2017, 07:54
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
The LibDems have a cunning election plan...

"Vote for us and we'll hit you with a tax rise".

Not really thought that one out, have they?
Ahem.....

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ill-be-ditched

For those on here convinced the Guardian is the font of all evil, not forgetting the priceless offering of practicing mind control, here's another offering, or two, or three if you can actually be bothered to read the links...which most of you won't....as to the dangers the UK faces if there is no robust opposition to what has all the potential to become one of the most destructive regimes, even by Tory standards, the UK has ever been forced to endure.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...resent-warning

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Old 6th May 2017, 08:45
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Originally Posted by sitigeltfel View Post
The LibDems have a cunning election plan...

"Vote for us and we'll hit you with a tax rise".

Not really thought that one out, have they?
There will be tax rises regardless of who wins - #brexit and its consequences have to be paid for.
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Old 6th May 2017, 09:03
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The refusal to raise taxes as costs have gone up over the last 20-30 years by governments of both sides means they will have to go up, Brexit or not.
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Old 6th May 2017, 09:05
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Originally Posted by Gertrude the Wombat View Post
There will be tax rises regardless of who wins - #brexit and its consequences have to be paid for.
You're wrong - you must have missed the truth on the side of that bus.
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Old 6th May 2017, 09:09
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Originally Posted by Sallyann1234 View Post
You're wrong - you must have missed the truth on the side of that bus.
What did it actually say?
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Old 6th May 2017, 10:19
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The GE is all about Spin, as it has always been, zero substance and spin.
That is exactly how Labour got in (under Bliar) in '97 and then managed to do so for the next couple of elections. When substance came to bite ("There is no money left"), they lost.

For those on here convinced the Guardian is the font of all evil, not forgetting the priceless offering of practicing mind control ...
When all that is ever quoted by certain posters is the Guardian, that is quite a level of evidence of some form of mind control!

What did it actually say?
Stop trying to confuse the issue by asking for facts!
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Old 6th May 2017, 10:27
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Were there local elections yesterday?

I only ask because having started to browse through the Daily Mirror this morning there appears to be no mention of any such elections. I got as far as Page 7 before I gave up, and while there were a couple of anti-Tory hatchet jobs, I could find not one single reference to any elections.

Maybe I imagined the whole thing?
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Old 6th May 2017, 10:58
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Originally Posted by Andy_S View Post
Were there local elections yesterday?

I only ask because having started to browse through the Daily Mirror this morning there appears to be no mention of any such elections. I got as far as Page 7 before I gave up, and while there were a couple of anti-Tory hatchet jobs, I could find not one single reference to any elections.

Maybe I imagined the whole thing?
You didn't look very hard


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/
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Old 6th May 2017, 11:10
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Originally Posted by TURIN View Post
You didn't look very hard
I was referring to the print version. And I was also being a bit flippant.....

It's quite possible that The Mirror did indeed have election coverage. Maybe they had a special supplement in the middle. But if they did, it was well hidden (as I said, I got as far as Page 7). Rather odd, when just about every other paper (old fashioned print version) today had the local elections as a front page news story.
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Old 6th May 2017, 11:18
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The Daily Mirror wouldn't admit to anything.
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