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Old 29th Apr 2017, 16:44
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Originally Posted by Fareastdriver View Post
Exactly! Why did they allow their own countries to be run by dictatorships and religious tyrannies?
You mean the ones interfered with by UK Governments who were happily to sell arms to......................... UK supported no attempts at democracy, rather it has ensured it never occurred in splitting areas up and creating countrys to ensure they were never powerful.

As for allowing countrys to be run by dictatorships and tyrannies..................... currently UK is fully supporting Bahrain and Saudi's, allowing billions in weapons so when will UK advocate democracy here ?
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Old 30th Apr 2017, 05:37
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Now, what were we saying KnC?......

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/e...iots-d68x9msv5

Corbyn’s policy chief boasted of role in riots

The man in charge of writing Labour’s election manifesto has boasted of how he confronted police while taking part in a riot. In a blog post on the 2010 Westminster student riots, Andrew Fisher wrote that he had “hurled abuse” at police and “taken back Whitehall”.

Fisher, who is now paid £56,000 a year from public funds as Labour’s head of policy, wrote that he was part of a 200-strong group that “burst through” police lines. They “pushed the two-deep line of riot police three-quarters of the way back to King Charles Street” at the heart of Whitehall. “Hundreds of people were enjoying the role reversal of the police being penned in and scared . . . I felt elated. ”Fisher, who was 30 at the time, blamed police for the violence. He wrote that protesters — “myself included to some extent” — responded to officers being “aggressive, violent and rude”.

In a post on the 2011 riots in Croydon, south London, where he lives, Fisher wrote: “As soon as I heard things were kicking off in Croydon, I headed into the centre of town.” He described the riot, which caused an estimated £14m of damage in one street alone, as “aggravated shopping”.

The posts were made on the blog of the Labour Representation Committee (LRC), a hard-left group chaired by John McDonnell, now shadow chancellor, for whom Fisher was working as a parliamentary researcher. Fisher was joint secretary of the LRC. The posts have now been removed, but remain available through web archives.

In the same year Fisher also endorsed a prospectus by the Socialist Campaign for a Labour Victory, which called for the disbanding of MI5 and the disarming of the police. In a 2014 book he called for a four-day week, the nationalisation of banks and potentially an end to the private ownership of land.

Fisher, a former trade union official, has stated that workers should be able to “get rid” of bosses. “Workers collectively should have the right to co-operativise their company,” he told an LRC meeting in 2012. “If a majority of workers say we want to get rid of our bosses, we want to run it as a co-operative — simple majority vote, it’s theirs. Done.”

James Cleverly, Tory MP for Braintree, said Fisher’s comments were “completely incompatible with a role in public policy. Andrew Fisher must now stand down or Corbyn must sack him.” A Labour source said: “It is entirely false to suggest that Andrew Fisher has in any way condoned violence against the police.”
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Old 30th Apr 2017, 06:13
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Walter Mitty anyone?
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Old 30th Apr 2017, 06:32
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Originally Posted by ORAC View Post
Fisher, a former trade union official, has stated that workers should be able to “get rid” of bosses.
On, or shortly after June the 9th, both he and his "boss" will be got rid of.
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Old 30th Apr 2017, 09:14
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Fisher wrote that he had “hurled abuse” at police
Sh!t, he's a scary one- I'd give him a wide berth! The coppers must have been carping themselves. "Watch out, boys, they've got abuse; abuse incoming".

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Old 30th Apr 2017, 13:18
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10,000 Jihadi's in the UK according to Media reports and the Police making almost daily arrests for terrorism related offenses.

Sounds like the UK will catch up with France for attacks if this is true!
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Old 30th Apr 2017, 13:27
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Shhhh, pointing out that kind of elephant in the room will have the progressive snowflakes hurling the race/xenophobic card in your direction SAS.
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Old 1st May 2017, 05:27
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"Now, what were we saying KnC"

I am indebted, as always, ORAC for your tireless quest to bring all, and any, sources of news which may not be entirely favourable to Labour, to the attention of the chaps on here who will duly salivate, or dribble, with excitement at such offerings.

However, about this "we" bit....is this a Royal "we " then, or, ORAC acting as spokesperson for the JB ideological collective of " true blue...subject to change to purple and yellow..." supporters on here. I only ask because, well, you know how much semantics mean to some on here...

Thus, whilst hardly the most edifying account I would agree, by way of response I won't mention the "thoughtful sentiments" of a certain Tory M.P as to his views on being gay, the refusal of the Tories to hand over the findings of a report on alleged bullying, and subsequent resultant suicide, to the police and, when it comes to civil disturbances, those staunch advocates of law and order ( exclusion clauses apply ) the Countryside Alliance, and their spiffing day out in London, where they kindly displayed a certain antagonism towards one of Labours best pieces of legislation ever...the abolition of hunting.

Meanwhile, creativity has always required an environment in which this talent can both be inspired and flourish. A garret on the Left Bank, or a bedsit in Tooting, Tooting getting a few mentions on here after all, is possibly a shade passé nowadays, and lets face it, no self respecting Tory would even consider these as options.

Thus Dave has duly found his own location, which, lets be honest, does indeed reflect his concept of roughing it....

David Cameron buys £25,000 garden shed 'to write in' - BBC News

Of course, if he really wanted inspiration, then possibly a spell of living in the conditions forced on many with various disabilities and reliance, just to live, on benefits resulting from the "bedroom tax" would have proved more inspirational.

Hopefully, Dave's concept of austerity will allow him to explain, in detail, how be screwed up the Nation for the future with the referendum on Brexit, and how much the UK has saved, ignoring the human cost of course, with his, and George's, austerity plans.

I will refrain however, less some get terribly upset, as to any potential for a Viking funeral this new abode has presented.

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Old 1st May 2017, 05:49
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
pointing out that kind of Allahphant in the room.
Fixed that for you!
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Old 1st May 2017, 06:54
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I have no objections to committed christians expressing their views on homosexuality, they are perfectly entitled to their views, and to stand for election if people support them. But enough of the leader of the Liberal Democrats.

I find nothing objectionable in David Cameron paying £25K for an upmarket writing den for garden, not an extravagant amount for such things, about the same as a medium range car these days. And I find it far preferable he likes to write - rather than wandering the world pimping himself out to oligarchs before returning to tell everyone how to vote as is Tony Blair.

I find it revealing that you consider the exercise of democracy that was the referendum an example of "screwing up" the country. However, you are undoubtedly correct that the EU disapprove of such things as they do tend to find themselves in the wrong side whenever one is held.
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Old 1st May 2017, 10:22
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This will probably have the progressive snowflakes spitting lentils but its very hard to argue against the message contained in the article.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/o...dbcc3e6b58e320
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Old 1st May 2017, 10:29
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In a similar vein but much more serious is an article by Douglas Murray in the same paper:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e...rant-xpg36lnxl

As I find myself saying more and more, "I am not sorry I'm the age I am."
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Old 1st May 2017, 16:11
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The more this guy puts his 2p worth in the better

Tony Blair's legacy 20 years on - BBC News

Jezza on his own is doing a great job of making Labour unelectable however adding Fony Tony to the mix really does seal the deal.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 05:22
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About that shed....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-party-cartoon
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Old 2nd May 2017, 05:42
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Nice Election cartoon. Even nicer Election photo. Conservative Central Office didn't have to leak this one. Labour front bench shadow Chancellor.......

https://order-order.com/2017/05/01/m...ommunist-flag/



Sensible setting for the Shadow Chancellor to be delivering a speech during an election campaign, under the flag of the Communist Party of Great Britain which stood down its candidates and endorsed Labour. By the way that Syrian flag is the red, white and black one used by Assad. The audience look lovely:

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Old 2nd May 2017, 05:49
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More signs Corbyn's cabal has abandoned Labour?s key seats and is focused on the next leadership contest « Labour Uncut

The starting pistol for the election has been fired but when it comes to candidate selection, Labour has been left on the blocks. According to Labour’s selection timetable, Prospective Parliamentary Candidates in seats where the MP has stood down, are being chosen by the NEC between Sunday 23rd April and Friday 28th April and in seats without Labour MPs, between Sunday April 30th and Tuesday May 2nd. Sitting MPs have been automatically reselected.

Think about those dates for a moment. Six days to pick 14 candidates in seats Labour already holds where the MP is retiring, three days to pick 416 candidates, out of which just under 100 are the key seats needed to win a majority. Actions speak louder than words and the focus on seats where MPs are standing down tells us two things.

First, the party has written-off anything not already held.

Candidates in seats needed to form a Labour government are likely to be two weeks behind their incumbent Tory opponents, at the stage they are confirmed after the May bank holiday. Labour officials suggest that based on past election experience, sitting Tory MPs will be on their third or fourth leaflet to voters by the time Labour has candidates in place. Given the snap nature of the election, where the sole opportunity to introduce the Labour candidate to electors is the eight week window starting from Theresa May’s announcement, this is a major handicap. There are doubts whether Labour’s candidates will even be able to make the first of the two free election mailings – that’s how late our selection process runs.

Second, the factions at the top of the party are looking ahead to the aftermath of defeat and the impending Labour leadership election.

Uncut has heard repeatedly over the past days about the selection battles developing around the retiring MPs’ seats. John McDonnell has his list, Tom Watson has his list and the unions are manoeuvring behind favoured sons and daughters. In many respects, this is a traditional scramble for parliamentary berths, telescoped into a much shorter time period compared to other elections. However, one of the common features in reports of the various discussions is the hard left’s drive to boost parliamentary numbers so that a candidate from their faction can get onto a future leadership ballot.

The requirement is that 15% of the PLP and European parliamentary party need to back a leadership candidate if they are to be put before a vote of members and supporters. Currently that means 37 nominations but in a post-June 8th world where Labour’s Westminster representation will likely be slashed to around 150 MPs, the total number of nominations needed would drop to the mid-20s. Paradoxically, the expected hammering at the election will help the hard left in their quest to ensure a Corbynite successor is on the next leadership ballot.

The latest assessment is that there are 18 to 21 sitting MPs, likely to hold their seats, who would back a hard left leadership candidate. This would leave the Corbynites short by 5 to 10 MPs. In the last parliament the hard left were notoriously ineffective in securing seats for their supporters in local selections. This time, because candidates are being appointed directly by NEC committee, there is a unique opportunity to boost their numbers.

Last Tuesday I wrote that the leadership election which follows the general election is the real contest that is concentrating the minds of Jeremy Corbyn’s inner circle. A series of decisions flow from this focus, the first of which is evident in Labour’s selection timetable: the choice of candidate in 14 seats that Labour already hold matters so much more than the fate of the 93 Labour needs to form a government.
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Nice Election cartoon. Even nicer Election photo. Conservative Central Office didn't have to leak this one. Labour front bench shadow Chancellor.......

https://order-order.com/2017/05/01/m...ommunist-flag/



Sensible setting for the Shadow Chancellor to be delivering a speech during an election campaign, under the flag of the Communist Party of Great Britain which stood down its candidates and endorsed Labour. By the way that Syrian flag is the red, white and black one used by Assad. The audience look lovely:

A decent person would have walked away from that. But again, we're not looking at a decent person, we're looking at Labours John McDonnell, friend and supporter of murdering terrorists the world over. How fitting that he should pop up on the day that celebrates those responsible for the slaughter of tens, possibly hundreds of millions of people, victims of socialist tyranny.
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Old 2nd May 2017, 06:13
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Off to a flying start this morning then ORAC......you do realise I hope, that, a significant number of heart attacks occur soon after waking and the BP starts to rise...you do need to consider the health of many on here when offering such photographs .....not me I hasten to add.

On the subject of the faithful however, here's the opposite side of the coin....

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...afety-election
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Old 2nd May 2017, 06:24
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Which one is you, Komrad Kommisar?
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Old 2nd May 2017, 06:28
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20 minutes behind yourself KnC, up early with heartburn?

Grauniad throwing toys out of cot as Tories resort to using previously successful tactics against opposition who think associating with Communist Party of Great Britain will make good front page election news.
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