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Old 13th Oct 2016, 08:48
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Especially as I spend an extraordinary amount of time and money doing the exact reverse.
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 10:05
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Why are so many people trying to escape from France? (Or is it the EU that they are trying to escape from?) France should be hugely embarrassed that so many people are putting so much effort in trying to escape from their country!
You should be hugely embarrassed for spouting rubbish!

https://www.thelocal.fr/20151013/som...nd-from-france
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 10:43
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All that articles does is prove how many immigrants continue on to the United Kingdom.
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 10:48
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Why are so many people trying to escape from France
For those that are trying to get to the uk it is probably a case of Language skills, contacts already in the Uk, and above all because the French benefits system isn't a soft touch for new arrivals and/ or asylum seekers.

As somewhere to live then as long as you are in the system France is fine...
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 14:39
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If France is so good, why are so many people risking their lives to escape from there?
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Old 13th Oct 2016, 15:28
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The honest answer (from the immigrants perspective) is a mixture of the following:

- They probably speak better English than they do French
- Many of them have family or at least contacts in similar communities in the UK
- The availability of work, even if low paid

Rightly or wrongly, they probably also have the perception that:

- Once they’ve reached the UK, they’re unlikely to be returned from whence they came
- The UK will provide more generously for them than the French in terms of housing, benefits etc
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Old 14th Oct 2016, 00:25
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So, they're still trying to escape from France.
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Old 14th Oct 2016, 01:31
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The Brexit vote has driven asylum seekers in Calais to even greater acts of desperation, demonstrating that even people who have reached a technically safe haven want out of the EU at virtually any cost. Clearly the UK has taken the right decision.
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Old 14th Oct 2016, 18:33
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=do07A12ccv4&sns=em
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Old 17th Oct 2016, 18:49
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No surprise.

MEP Steven Woolfe quits UKIP.
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Old 17th Oct 2016, 23:33
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Excuse me Sir, but would you be interested in becoming Leader of the soon to be former UK Independence Party?





Sir? Sir?...
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 07:21
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 10:40
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Well who would have thought it possible ....UKIP sets a precedent !

Another link to add to the previous one...

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...fe-quits-party

The precedent being a UKIP member has actually made a factual statement...notably about the state of the party, albeit not a revelation to the rest of us, and, how long before, as expected, guess who returns for another "extended interim" leadership period.

Actually, it's not so much a spiral dive, it's more an inverted spin (to the right, obviously ) with no control authority available.
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 10:44
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
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Actually, it's not so much a spiral dive, it's more an inverted spin (to the right, obviously ) with no control authority available.
With Liabour in exactly the same inverted spin but to the hard left with a total numpty at the controls and the Lib Dems' consigned to the trash can this truly is a wonderful bright and sunny political time, and long may that continue
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 10:49
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Although my personal view is that UKIP are a bunch of morons whose sole role in UK politics is to provide "corroborative detail to add verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative" (as Offenbach would have said), I would just suggest that the events are capable of several interpretations.

For a man to go from "keen candidate leader of UKIP" to "the one who exposes UKIP's death spiral and insolvency" in a matter of a few days is [to me] far more indicative of a spat followed by a tantrum and a flounce than any particularly strong indicator of statesmanship and integrity in the individual.

But then I think water is wet, so what would I know...

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Old 18th Oct 2016, 10:53
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It won't continue Sffp, nature abhors a vacuum. Mr Corbyn is creating a vacuum in the centre/soft left.
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 11:23
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For a man to go from "keen candidate leader of UKIP" to "the one who exposes UKIP's death spiral and insolvency" in a matter of a few days is [to me] far more indicative of a spat followed by a tantrum and a flounce than any particularly strong indicator of statesmanship and integrity in the individual.
Particularly when the spat followed a report of him approaching the Conservative party offering to defect to them from UKIP.....
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 13:21
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Yes, it was a rather unfortunate bit of timing, his proposed defection and the subsequent eventful meeting.

Having said that, defecting in itself would not have been problematic......the two species, hard right Tory's and UKIP per se do meld quite effortlessly and indeed, they cross fertilise each other when necessary.

On another note, the mutual respect the lady was held in by all parties has clearly evaded the societal dross masquerading as being representative of a political party.....so much so, those forerunners of UKIP, the BNP, have emerged from whence they should have been consigned.

For the sensitive reader/ viewer, the report contains some, as ever, "forthright Yorkshire opinions ".....


http://www.channel4.com/news/catch-up
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 13:50
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"corroborative detail to add verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative" (as Offenbach would have said)
Err, that was W.S.Gilbert.
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Old 18th Oct 2016, 14:19
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Originally Posted by Seldomfitforpurpose View Post
With Liabour in exactly the same inverted spin but to the hard left with a total numpty at the controls and the Lib Dems' consigned to the trash can this truly is a wonderful bright and sunny political time, and long may that continue
You're a fan of a one-party state then?

FWIW if the current UKIP and Labour chaos continues until 2020 then I could quite see the Liberals doing quite well (though that wouldn't be hard compared to 2015!) especially if tactical voting starts to gain favour.
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