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Old 7th May 2010, 11:07
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Actually Bruce I favoured Greece,but Mrs E fancies The Maldives.
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Old 7th May 2010, 11:18
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I fancy another election in November.
That'll be even more fun.
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Old 7th May 2010, 11:28
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Think he might be in a bad mood as Dave hasn't romped home!

If Gordon thinks about things and takes the long view in the interests of his party he may consider this:

if the dire warnings being made about the national debt are even half correct, then some pretty unpopular actions will need to be taken by whoever is in charge. Thus if he withdraws from No10 gracefully now, and Cameron moves in as head of a minority government, it will be Cameron who gets the flack. Inevitably Brown would be replaced as Labour leader by year end, but if the transition can be done without an early 80s-style civil war then it shouldn't do Labour any lasting damage. After 1-2 years of Cameron he should be pretty unpopular, at which point a vote of no confidence could be triggered, and another General Election. Labour then get back into power on the slogan "well you tried them, and look what happened!".

A few big ifs there, but if I were a betting man like Effluent Man then my next bet would be a spread bet on the date of the next election (between Oct 2011 and June 2012 is my guess) and a bet on a Labour majority (if they don't scrap first past the post).
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Old 7th May 2010, 11:38
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We are now in a bidding war between Dave and the remnants of the Brown administration.Lord Steel is quite clearly very anti any kind of deal with the Tories.My guess is that Labour will make Clegg an offer he can't refuse. Osborne as chancellor could be a deal breaker if the Tories try.
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Old 7th May 2010, 11:42
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Actually Bruce I favoured Greece,but Mrs E fancies The Maldives.
That's a dilemma.. I'm there with Mrs E, but one good tsunami and its gone..

Going back to the family roots in Cyprus is a possibility, but then there's too many chavs holidaying there these days.
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Old 7th May 2010, 11:43
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Byzantine practices and Greek fire await the unsuspecting public.
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Old 7th May 2010, 11:45
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I wonder if its the same process as used for the Cambridge constituancy where the Labour chap was dropped at the last moment for being a naughty boy
No, no such thing happened in the Cambridge constituency.

You might be thinking of one of the Cambridgeshire constituencies - different place, different game altogether, couldn't be more different politically.
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Old 7th May 2010, 11:48
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Meanwhile in the real world, the country goes even further to rack & ruin until we end up with another election & a Tory majority of two, three, four & Lembit Opek filling in on Total Wipeout & The One Show.
Ain't that the truth ! These days we cant even riot like we used to !

I fancy another election in November.
That'll be even more fun.
Don't tell EM that.. he'll regret going to Ladbrooks today instead of going for an accumulator.


My guess is that Labour will make Clegg an offer he can't refuse
Don't forget Mandleson's influence.. more like an offer Clegg can't understand..
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Old 7th May 2010, 11:52
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Yeah, it does amaze me that those who instantly jump down peoples throats if one dares to peek at other poltical events feel free to weigh in with illustratively uninformed viewpoints.
Wow, those are some mighty tall horses y'all ride...
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Old 7th May 2010, 12:08
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What no one here has mentioned is that even if Labour do a deal with the Lib Dems they still won't have a majority. To get that they would also have to deal with at least 2 'others'. What a great way to run a country! I reckon that would mean an election within 6 months.
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Old 7th May 2010, 12:09
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Agree George for chancellor will be too much of a pill for Cleggo to swallow. I notice Osbourne was kept very quiet during the election. Tory tradition it seems - last time it was Letwin!
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Old 7th May 2010, 12:29
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The British electorate have given their decision. Despite regular clear advice that a Lib Dem vote would lead to a hung parliament and leave Brown in No.10, that's what they've decided they want. The markets are already pronouncing their own verdict on that decision, and the evidence is that they don't think very much of it. The pound is falling and, with bond prices also falling, interest rates will be driven up. Good old "Gormless" Gordon does it again, this time with the assistance of Nick "Nice but Thick"...

...reform that needs to come first and that is devolution for England.
Personally, I wouldn't go quite that far. The devolved regions may be autonomous on most matters, but they still come under the defence and foreign affairs umbrella and should have a say on those matters. What should have happened with devolution was an increase in the size of the constituencies in the devolved regions, reducing the number of their MPs at Westminster and thus reducing their influence there.
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Old 7th May 2010, 12:45
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Old 7th May 2010, 12:54
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The British electorate have given their decision. Despite regular clear advice that a Lib Dem vote would lead to a hung parliament and leave Brown in No.10, that's what they've decided they want.
i don't know about your ballot paper, but there wasn't that choice on mine.

it's clear that the majority vote was for conservatives.

The markets are already pronouncing their own verdict on that decision, and the evidence is that they don't think very much of it. The pound is falling and, with bond prices also falling, interest rates will be driven up.
Ain't that the truth !

Good old "Gormless" Gordon does it again, this time with the assistance of Nick "Nice but Thick"...
well with the vote of the thick that voted for NL seats.

the horse trading tactics over UK democracy has started and the bartering should be along any hour ..
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Old 7th May 2010, 13:00
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Originally Posted by Nick Riviera View Post
What no one here has mentioned is that even if Labour do a deal with the Lib Dems they still won't have a majority. To get that they would also have to deal with at least 2 'others'. What a great way to run a country! I reckon that would mean an election within 6 months.
Spot on, Nick. Labour would have to do a deal not just with the Lib Dems, but a couple of the Nationalist parties as well. More horse trading needed to accomodate say the SNP and Plaid Cymru, the Lib Dems would probably start to find that the arrangement limits their influence, and the whole lot would probably collapse under the weight of it's own contradictions.

My guess is that Cameron will be PM sometime next week, either in coalition with the Lib Dems or as head of a minority government with a tacit understanding with the Lib Dems that they will support key votes like the budget and the queens speech.

EDIT. I notice from BBC News that Nick Clegg has stated that the Conservatives have the first right to seek to govern.
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Old 7th May 2010, 13:04
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News Just In

Japan is sending an aid package to the UK in the form of 1,000 tonnes of viagra, on the understanding that Britain doesn't know how to have a decent election.
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Old 7th May 2010, 13:06
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i don't know about your ballot paper, but there wasn't that choice on mine.
With a sunny personality, masses of energy, a determination to do his best for his constituency - not to mention a massive and enthusisatic team - our MP has turned a Labour majority of 12,000 down to 4,500 then captured the seat with a majority of 5,600. Yesterday we turned that into a 17,400 majority. Its as well to remember that, despite what the media project, we aren't supposed to be voting for Brown, Clegg or Cameron to be PM. We're supposed to be choosing the best man or woman to represent our constituency's interests at Westminster.
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Old 7th May 2010, 13:24
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Its a waste of pencil lead voting in Scotland I don't know why I bother.
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Old 7th May 2010, 13:39
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Where I live in Scotland they could stick a red rosette on a donkey and they would vote it in.
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Old 7th May 2010, 13:42
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it's clear that the majority vote was for conservatives.
How on earth do you work that out. Not disputing that they got a higher number of votes than any other party, but 36% (at present, but won't change very much when the last few seats come in) ain't a majority of votes, and the projected 309 seats (I think that was the latest) certainly isn't a majority of seats!

That said, I do think that Dave should be allowed a shot at a minority government if only to stop all this hot air!

Despite regular clear advice that a Lib Dem vote would lead to a hung parliament and leave Brown in No.10, that's what they've decided they want.
Most patronising quote of the day so far?

The pound is falling and, with bond prices also falling, interest rates will be driven up.
Anything to do with the Tories frantically talking up the prospect of same in the last few weeks in case anyone was thinking of not voting for them? Caused as much by traders panicking about whether their bonuses might get taxed as by any imminent threat to the UK economy! Volatility tends to equal trader profits don't forget!
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