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Old 5th May 2010, 01:31
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Now here's a thought. Vote in the Conservatives with enough seats to make a decent Parliament, tactically vote in Labour seats to bring in a LibDem.
Airey, I think you have got it spot on. The trouble is that the "blues" then have to tackle the "problem that shall not speak its name" namely the deficit and how we, as a country, avoid sinking into a Greek morass. By all accounts, excuse the weak pun, a rise of 6p in the pound in income tax and swingeing cuts in public expenditure are required to steer HMS UK back onto the straight and narrow. Will Cameron and Osbourne have the political nerve to do this? And if they did what would the markets and the populace do? Exodus of major companies from the UK. Riots in the streets as public sector workers pensions are wound up? Mass unemployment?

My personal opinion is that they, the blues, wouldn't last long in any of the above scenarios. My worry is what happens if they don't bite the bullet. The only winners in this scenario would appear to be the Lib/Dems. Discuss.
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Old 5th May 2010, 07:38
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Given the cuts that are coming, I can see 1974 all over again. Anyone wish to open a book on the October 2010 general election?

Norm, I note this is the 2nd thread in as many days where you've said something stupid. The tone of this debate has been civilised throughout, up until your coach & horses. turned up.
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Old 5th May 2010, 08:52
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Austerity.

Those who were brought up in the fifties have already experienced it and we survived. So did the Labour Party who gave us it and the Conservative Party who ended it.

But we were of a post-war generation and even Austerity was better than what went before. There are hard times a-coming and I don't think the soft, pampered post-sixties generations will enjoy taking their medicine. As for we wrinklies, there's still a few vacant holes on our belts and some of us can remember the recipe for nettle soup and how to make "coffee" from dandelion roots...
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Old 5th May 2010, 08:59
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Here here!!Mr B that's just what these generations of milksops we have bred snce the war need a bit austerity,then they will have a excuse for dressing like tramps when all they have to wear is hand me downs,get rid of some of the fat as well with a diet of bread and dripping.

Bring back national sevice as well.
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Old 5th May 2010, 09:02
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......not to mention brewin' your own vino.
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Old 5th May 2010, 09:25
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So did the Labour Party who gave us it and the Conservative Party who ended it.
Errrm, don't you think that the effects of the second world war and the costs of running an empire were responsible for austerity? Britain was wrecked physically, financially and materially by WW2, laying the blame for austerity at the door of any political party is just a little bit naughty.
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Old 5th May 2010, 09:31
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I was going to rebutt a statement made by someone suggesting that Saint Blair reduced the national debt
I never mentioned anything so hagiographic. Blair started out with the national debt at 41% of GDP, and handed it over to Brown at 36% of GDP. Fact.

Thatcher left power with the national debt at 27% of GDP, down from the 43% she inherited, and Major ramped it up. It's currently at 53% on Brown's watch.

I leave it to you to mention the miners.
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Old 5th May 2010, 10:01
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hagiographic?,that's a splendid word Mr P,prolly sent most prunners seeking out their dictionary,not I of course.
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Old 5th May 2010, 12:30
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Will we see similar scenes here?

BBC News - Greece brought to halt by general strike over cuts
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Old 5th May 2010, 12:52
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What I would like to see (but won't of course) is at least 50% of the newly elected MPs coming from independent or minor party sources.

Not being part of the comfortable establishment we have had for so long, they would be much more inclined to consider each proposal on its merits, not where it came from.
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Old 5th May 2010, 13:52
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Tower Hamlets Labour candidates register extra voters to their homes - Times Online
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Old 5th May 2010, 14:11
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When approached by The Times yesterday, Mr Ahmed, a restaurateur, locked himself behind his door and insisted that all the other occupants were out. “You are discriminating our family,” he said.
Notice how quickly the candidate played the race card. He must have felt that making accusations of discrimination would suppress the investigation. I wonder what gave him that impression?
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Old 5th May 2010, 14:31
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I do like this national debt as a percentage of GDP, the actual debt is rising. But GB hopes by letting in more people and business picking up, the GDP increases, so therefore the debt decreases, as a percentage ofcourse.

UK National Debt Clock ? No-Nonsense Guide to Britain's Debt Crisis
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Old 5th May 2010, 15:05
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Yes I saw that, but it doesn't make the figures wrong. I'm sure you're intelligent enough to read it and come to your own conclusion about the countries debt.
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Old 5th May 2010, 15:09
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The Spectator: Niall Ferguson: Britain should call the IMF now

Should David Cameron just call the IMF immediately? Like, on Monday? This argument has been doing the rounds in Tory circles and tomorrow's Spectator has an important contribution from Niall Ferguson. He advises that Cameron takes a two-pronged approach. Prong one is to 'axe ruthlessly' and prong two is to call the IMF. He says:

'There is a very real danger that [things] could now spiral, Greek style, out of all control if foreign confidence in sterling slumps and long-term interest rates rise. Mr Cameron needs to do two things right away. He must instruct George Osborne to wield the axe ruthlessly with the aim of returning to a balanced budget over a credible eight- to ten-year timeframe.

That means not only reversing Labour's disastrous expansion of public sector spending, but also encouraging business growth with incentives to innovate, invest and work. At the same time, he needs to initiate talks with the IMF in case external support proves to be necessary. In both cases, it is much better to act sooner than later. The mess we are in is the result of 13 squandered years in which an unprincipled government frittered away the achievements of the Thatcher era. We are back not just in 1979, but in 1976, the last time the IMF had to bail Britain out as a consequence of Labour¹s economic mismanagement.'
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Old 5th May 2010, 16:19
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There is another election to think about, the one for the Labour leadership. Brown will be gone by Friday evening and the bookies are putting Miliband, followed by Harman as the leading contenders. With Harman currently deputy leader it is likely she would be shooed in as caretaker until an election could be held and then the scramble for the top job would begin.

Looks like the only red we will be seeing in politics for a long time will be the blood on the carpets at Labour HQ.
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Old 5th May 2010, 16:30
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What causes me amusement is that Dave,who has spent two years with poll ratings above 40% is now struggling to get above 35%.I know there are odd percentage points to argue over but,more or less,the electorate has split into three equal parts.Dave was given a penalty against a blind goalie and now can only watch as the ball rolls past the post.

To not win this one by a Blair type three figure majority shows the calibre of the man.If he does scrape a win I suppose the big gainers will be our friends the bankers who will benefit from inheritance tax relief and no 50% tax on their £150k + earnings.
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Old 5th May 2010, 17:16
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What causes me amusement is that Dave,who has spent two years with poll ratings above 40% is now struggling to get above 35%
Maybe, then again what percentage of the electorate are actually listening to anybody's arguments and policies? One large chunk of the electorate are members of Labours client State and another large chunk thought the Leadership debates were "I'm a Celebrity, Get me Out of here" and will vote for that nice Mr Darcey....
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Old 5th May 2010, 17:52
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"...I suppose the big gainers will be our friends the bankers who will benefit from inheritance tax relief and no 50% tax on their £150k + earnings."

Yes, because the bankers have not done well at all under Labour, have they? In a society where the gap between the rich and the poor has rarely been wider than after 13 years of Labour, there are still those who try and frighten people into thinking that the Tories are only interested in the rich. You're slipping though, you didn't label Cameron as a toff.
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Old 5th May 2010, 18:16
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" To not win this one by a Blair type three figure majority shows the calibre of the man "

About 0.0004 microns to be more exact ( the same as a sintered bronze filter in an oxgen system in case you are wondering ) and there is also the fact he is there for one reason ....and one reason only...to be the "new" people friendly image of the Conservative party.... I would guess his days are numbered however....if he blows this election..he's out...if he gets in....then the "new" face vanishes and the right wing of the party start dictating terms...which they will anyway...or, he survives for a while and then the UK populace ( including those who are usually far from militant ....and not the "rent a any cause will do" brigade ) get rather fed up with the impending draconian policies ( exclusion clauses apply to the selected percentage of course ) and start showing their displeasure....time for some "strong leadership"...cough!..at this point.... exit Dave to be replaced by whoever the party feel will be autocratic enough to enforce the policies..irrespective of the consequences to the bulk of the population.

I have to say I was truly inspired by his "alone I did it ! " speech on his visit to N.I. yesterday.......
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