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Old 21st Jul 2015, 17:36
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Well this should start to bite a few of you in the near future..

Spending review: Osborne orders £20bn savings over four years to clear deficit | Society | The Guardian

Dangerous times ahead it would seem and even greater clarity as to the intent of "the working peoples party", not that any clarity was ever required.

The Public Sector, for so long an obsessive obstacle to the Tories and their fanatical zeal to privatise appears to be in the firing line again.....funny old thing, the Tories are also hell bent on introducing new strike legislation as well....can't think why.

Once the usual myopic fraternity have finished chortling to themselves, to unashamedly pose the same question as Robert Peston does on the BBC website ........how many of you could remove 40% of you own budget and not be affected, in any way ?.
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 17:46
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how many of you could remove 40% of you own budget and not be affected, in any way ?.
Wrong question, most of us run our domestic budget properly and within the limitations of our income.
The BBC Leftie asking that ridiculous question is overlooking the fact that the savings required are due to the Government spending more than the income.
How difficult is that to grasp.

K&C, you have been advised previously to avoid that particular rag that you favour for a broadsheet with proper articles written by learned and wise columnists, you never know, you might see things in a different way.
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 17:57
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I presume that the majority of the cost of ministries is 'labour'.
Getting rid of staff would require redundancy payments.
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 18:12
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" Wrong question "

I do appreciate you have long since adopted a perception of reality that is far divorced from fact that even the Daily Mail wouldn't dare to print it.

Average UK household to be £10,000 in debt by end of 2016 | Money | The Guardian

And then there's the little matter of a rise in interests rates by the end of the year. Given the debt levels already in place, some to appease the ego's of the borrowers and for whom I have no sympathy, but for many more, a result of simply trying to survive...nothing more or less, then my question is more than valid.
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 19:06
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I think all of the Labour leadership candidates are weak, some much weaker than others.

Kinnock Jr has been very prominent on the BBC over the last few days and seems to be a good performer in front of the cameras. Streets ahead of the 4 candidates.
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 19:11
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Roll on the rise in interest rates, for too long now the thrifty and careful savers have been subsidising the feckless and irresponsible borrowers, a good sharp rise to around 5% for starters is what's needed.


I meant the leftie asked the wrong question, the reason being that unlike socialists the bulk of us live within our means, do keep up.
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 19:17
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Kinnock Jr

I thought the Labour Party was formed to prevent rich families handing down Parliamentary seats and offices to their spoilt offspring?

Where's my copy of Animal Farm.....?

Here t'is!

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.”
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Old 21st Jul 2015, 21:50
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And long may that continue. The Tory plan for the dismantling of the Labour machine is firmly underway along with successfully restricting the Gnats to nowt but mischief south of the border is coming along rather nicely, all we need now is that Corbyn fella to win the leadership battle
We are in violent agreement fella regarding Labour, the dismantling however is less to do with any plan conceived by the Conservatives and more with Labour itself. As for the 56, I doubt Mr Cameron views them as mere mischief makers. The episode with the foxes was more than a tad embarrassing for him, all the more so given his mahoosive majority and their supposed lack of influence.



Osborne is certainly gunning for the Whitehall budgets, wonder which departments will take the brunt of the hit?



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Roll on the rise in interest rates
Certainly wouldn't do the efforts to reduce the debt any harm.

Tom

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Old 21st Jul 2015, 22:58
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Originally Posted by Krystal n chips View Post
om15.

" Wrong question "

I do appreciate you have long since adopted a perception of reality that is far divorced from fact that even the Daily Mail wouldn't dare to print it.

Average UK household to be £10,000 in debt by end of 2016 | Money | The Guardian

And then there's the little matter of a rise in interests rates by the end of the year. Given the debt levels already in place, some to appease the ego's of the borrowers and for whom I have no sympathy, but for many more, a result of simply trying to survive...nothing more or less, then my question is more than valid.

From that article, first line


Report warns that people’s complacency over their ability to manage their borrowing could lead to resurgence in bad debt

Stupid is as stupid does springs to mind, comprehensive school education here, nowt more than a couple of CSE's but even I am smart enough to appreciate about not borrowing more than you can afford or may be able to afford!!!
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 00:23
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I'm not great with politics, but if the government is to cut spending, I assume they can only cut spending on stuff they spend on, I.e. Public sector and benefits and the like? Hard to see what else they could cut spending on.....
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 06:47
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Prepare for the years in the wilderness. A man who makes Michael Foot look right wing.....

Jeremy Corbyn given huge lead in new poll of Labour leadership voters

A YouGov poll for the Times confirms figures seen by the New Statesman - the veteran left-winger is far ahead in overall votes, and would win a run-off with Andy Burnham.
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 09:34
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I am curious as to why it is assumed that Labour will recover past levels of support?

There is no divine right of power and with the rise of other parties it is not inconcievable that Labour is going to shrink to being a fringe party.

The Labour movement is dying as shown by the ever-decreasing numbers of union members.
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 10:07
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From Labours own mouthpiece........

“The moronic MPs who nominated Jeremy Corbyn to ‘have a debate’ need their heads felt. They should be ashamed of themselves. They’re morons.”


A full list of the morons.......

Roll Call of Labour ?Morons?*-* Guido Fawkes
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 10:10
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Originally Posted by Tom Joad View Post
The episode with the foDes
As I said fella nowt but mischief
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 10:46
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The episode with the foxes...
If ever there was a case in favour of EVEL, it should be the fox hunting case!

Scottish MPs have no say on fox hunting in Scotland (and hence, by the devolution settlement, are a'different class' of MP as they have no say over some matters affecting their own constituents, whereas English and Welsh MPs do have a say on these matters affecting their own constituents). When a law is introduced to bring English fox hunting more in line with Scottish fox hunting, then it is morally wrong for Scottish MPs (who, I shall remind everyone, have no say over it in Scotland) to be able to vote on that English fox hunting law.

Because Scotland has its own parliament (that 'pretendy wee parliament', to quote a well known Scot!) there are already two classes of MPs: English and Welsh MPs have no say on several Scottish matters and Scottish MPs who still have a full say on those matters in England and Wales. (I think that that good Labour MP Tam Dalyell asked the famous question about that many years back. No-one has yet answered successfully.)

The 56? They are a passing irritation. They won't all get in next time. They are part of the 'left' that is going out of fashion throughout Europe (except for some demented and indebted Mediterranean countries). This demise of the left is so ably demonstrated by Labour's self-destruct actions. The SNP was simply a bit of 'Labour replacement therapy' in Scotland. When the patient recovers, the LibDems and Tories will make a comeback there.

Tee hee heee. Wait for the wrath of that increasingly insignificant 'Left'!!
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 13:18
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It seems that Corbyn holds an almost unique position, in being supported as Lobour leader by all three major parties!

Labour loonies want him.

LibDems want him, as he will push the more moderate Labour supporters back to their 'natural home'.

Tories want him because he will make the Labour party even less electable.

This is quite an achievement for a previously little-known politician.
Even Blair is now increasing Corbyn's support by telling people not to vote for him

And anyone can join in and vote for Corbyn by paying just £3. If the vote looks close I might just buy a few myself, it would be a good investment.
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 14:13
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More childish mischief

SNP stages takeover of Labour House of Commons benches - BBC News
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 14:14
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Having read the list of Corbyn supporters, you could measurably increase the average IQ of the UK if you took that lot out. "Morons" looks like a positively flattering description.
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 14:37
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Fox3, don't confuse IQ with common sense. There are some lefties with quite a high IQ!
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Old 22nd Jul 2015, 15:21
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BHR may have a good point, other than the unemployed and oddly disturbed, no one seems to be supporting Labour and it may well be that they have served their purpose and had their day.


If the SNP have decided amongst themselves to form the Opposition then Labour will be largely superfluous. Nice photo of Corbyn having a cup of tea with the ex IRA lot in the papers today.
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