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Old 9th May 2011, 11:18
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International Borders

Wensleydale has it right, if I remember my International Law and Law of the Sea lectures many decades ago. The English / Scottish border would run SW to NE out into the North Sea. Now add the Shetland / Scottish Border NW to SE and ownership of North Sea oil becomes very, very interesting!
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Old 9th May 2011, 12:27
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You know my views on this already........... Let them have a referendum, if it is a YES vote, then give them it total independance, with no subsidies, they are on their own and cut off all funding.

If it is a NO vote then the majority of the Scots wish to stay as part of the UK.... Immediately announce the disolving of the Scottish Assembly and close it down, sell the building, move the power and authority back to Parliament and make redundant all the Civil Servants and hangers on that go along with it.

Everything in the Country seems to be having cutbacks to save money often at the detriment of services, but we still plow on having 4 seperate Assemblies / Parliaments with all the "MP'S", staff and quadruple Civil services, when previously it was managed by one Parliament with one Civil Service..... Seems a lack of willingness to cut their own jobs, a No vote will say that the Majority of Scottish people do not want them.

Either way a yes or a no vote could say monies, either by removing financial support or by shutting it down.

Same goes for the Welsh...
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Old 9th May 2011, 12:39
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As one who lives in Scotland I believe there is only one problem with Scottish independence and that is the Euro! If they were to decided to join Europe as one of the protected small states then they will have to introduce the Euro. This will bring the Euro to mainland Britain and I can then see those nitwits in Westminster following suit!!

Must then be time to emigrate!
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Old 9th May 2011, 13:04
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I would favour a vote now. The SNP have kept this story running since Winnie Ewing won her by election in 1967! However, I accept that politically this is seen as too much of a risk no matter what side of the fence you are on!

However, I also believe that the SNP will have to push on with the amalgamation of all Police and Fire Services in Scotland and that the present composition and number of Local Authorities (created in 1997 and like the Regional Councils before them by a Conservative Government at Westminster) cannot survive in the face of voter apathy now that a Scottish Parliament exists. The last SNP Government imposed a Council Tax freeze years ago, the new one plans to continue on this basis for the term of the new Scotish Parliament. That must see greater centralisation of power in Edinburgh with more cash needed for urban areas now voting SNP with the inevitable backlash from everyone else!

The wheels on this bus just go round and round.
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Old 9th May 2011, 13:47
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What would an independent Scotland look like now if the act of union had never taken place and Scotland had to stand on its own two feet with just local income.
Something like Norway perhaps ? Just a thought.
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Old 9th May 2011, 13:58
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Something like Norway perhaps ? Just a thought.
What? cold, full of snow and Beer 9 a pint
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Old 9th May 2011, 14:04
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What? cold, full of snow and Beer 9 a pint
add in rain and you've got Scotland down to a T
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Old 9th May 2011, 14:18
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In the early 70s Winnie Ewing wrote to her Scottish base offering transfer for the English to the RSAF. The letter was duly filed in a secret folder and shielded from the light of day.
So how do you know about it?

Draken, and the western isles? When Mrs PN worked at Raigmore the patients from their would not speak English with the Scottish nurses but they would talk with Mrs PN.
This is the second time you have posted this as "fact". I too have lived and worked in this area and your assertion is as doubtful now as it was the first time. Inverness is hardly the heartland of Gaelic rebellion and to say that patients (ill people) will not communicate with their nurses leaves one a bit incredulous to say the least.

I agree with Draken, Salmond is a wily politician and will never hold a referendum that he knows he will lose.
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Old 9th May 2011, 14:37
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Can I remind some of those unhappy with the issue of English-only issues being voted upon by the whole UK parliament just how it works?

The UK parliament AS A WHOLE sets a block grant for Scotland, and the Scottish Parliament decides how to spend it.

There is NO SUCH block grant for England - expenditure for English-only matters comes from UK funding and, in the same way that English MPs get a say in the allocation of UK funds to the Scottish block grant, the Scottish MPs get to vote on spending UK funds on English-only matters. If England had a block grant, decided by all UK MPs, then the English could spend it on as many olympic games as they wished.
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Old 9th May 2011, 14:47
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I Wasn't thinking about the block grant or really anything to do with Scotland. My issue is MP's voting on things like tuition fees, prescription charges etc when they don't apply in their own constituency. That surely is unfair but didn't stop the last govt from getting away with it
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Old 9th May 2011, 15:07
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Rob,

Prescription charges are a good example. The Scottish Parliament and MSPs decided how to use the money allocated by, among others, English MPs, and that's where the latter have their say in Scottish expenditure. Scotland has to live within its means as set by westminster. Without a block grant, English MPs would, in effect, have unfettered access to UK funds without non-English MPs having a say in how their constituents' taxes are spent, or at what level.
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Old 9th May 2011, 15:50
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ould the one or two new Aircraft carries be maintained in Plymouth or Portsmouth ? The questions are endless
Never mind maintained how about built in England

Also will an independent Scotland take its share of the debt and EU contributions etc etc........
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Old 9th May 2011, 16:09
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If the carriers complete, enter service and need to refit at the moment, it would be a straight fight between Devonport and Rosyth for this work. If Scotland was ever to become Independent, Devonport or Brest. Rosyth would be busy building wind turbines for the SNP's nuclear free Scotland

At present the carriers are being built in Sections at Portsmouth, Newcastle, Liverpool and on the Clyde with final assembly of the blocks at Rosyth. It's a UK wide effort.

The Sovereign Debt issue impacts on all Western Economies via IMF membership. In or out of the EU, we could not get off "Scot free!"
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Old 9th May 2011, 16:41
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Ahem,

"The cheque's in the post"

" The dog eats the mail "

" Wrong address, return to sender "

Feel free to add others in the same vein.......

Most of us have heard the above at some point in our lives.....alas, Theresa, bless her, seems to be an innocent in this respect....

BBC News - Suspects to be charged by post in police reform plans
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Old 9th May 2011, 16:54
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The rigs off Norfolk are gas. Most of the oil is in the northern sectors of the North Sea. If the waters that contained the oil were to become territorial then 90%+ of the UK's oil would belong to Scotland! I believe this is what the SNP and Scotland as a whole have used as part of their bargaining with Westminster since Winnie Ewing became an MP in the 70's.
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Old 9th May 2011, 17:04
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"this is what the SNP and Scotland as a whole have used as part of their bargaining with Westminster"

And what have we got? A nice Parliament building, control over domestic issues within a budget set by London and more and gaelic road signs that most of us can't read quickly or correctly pronounce.

One example is Largs, an Ayrshire seaside resort very popular with the elderly. It has new road signs welcoming you to "An Leargaidh Ghallda". Pure tokenism in an area with few if any native gaelic speakers. Next Season we will have coverage of Scottish League Football (not the top level) on Freeview but in Gaelic! The six figure cost is justified as it promotes the Language. Un-be-lievable.

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Old 9th May 2011, 18:10
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Scottish Independance is just as much a question for the English as the Scottish. Yes, let the porridge scoffers have a referendum to ascertain if they want the union to remain. BUT, the English should also have their say.

We pay millions to keep them in free University education, prescriptions, blah dee blah. I say get rid, they don't like us and they cost us a fortune. Build the wall back up and lets enjoy or little England.

Harrrumph.
 
Old 9th May 2011, 18:34
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One thing to guarantee when this sort of topic rolls around, it shows what a numpty rich environment PPRuNe really is.

I can hear the rustling of Daily Mails from here.
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Old 9th May 2011, 18:46
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Speaking as someone born in Scotland of Scottish parents, but brought up for the best part in England, it gives me an accute feeling of depression reading a lot of the more emotive comments on this thread. My fellow countrymen, so to speak, can be a miserably ungrateful and infuriating bunch at times, over this question particularly. It's quite clear from the majority of posts here, presumably from Englishmen, that the question of Scottish Independence from the rest of the U.K. is causing a great deal of resentment, if not downright offence to English people! What have we done to deserve such ingratitude, I hear you all say. Other than one very small point about the continuous reference to the English, when claiming credit on behalf of the British, I really can't think, but I certainly don't thnk the idea is as popular with the English as claimed here, or perhaps the commentary would be a tad more gracious.

Much more of this, and I'll have to seriously consider moving to Canada, that's where Mum and Dad wanted to emigrate in the 1950s, their Mums and Dads weren't happy to the point they decided to settle in England instead. Its at times like this I sorely wish they'd chosen the former course for my future.

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Old 9th May 2011, 19:29
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Much more of this, and I'll have to seriously consider moving to Canada, that's where Mum and Dad wanted to emigrate in the 1950s, their Mums and Dads weren't happy to the point they decided to settle in England instead. Its at times like this I sorely wish they'd chosen the former course for my future.

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Ok bye then, don't forget to send a postcard when you get there!
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