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Old 27th Oct 2009, 18:20
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No 5 in, 49 out. I just voted out.
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Old 27th Oct 2009, 18:26
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What is agreed in Copenhagen can have a devastating effect on the airline business and therefore airline careers.
Care to explain that one?

What, exactly, do you mean by "what is agreed"?

Don't you think that the oil-burning community will be heavily represented?

Even Kyoto did exactly nothing to affect "airline careers". The unions have done far worse than that.
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Old 27th Oct 2009, 18:55
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Ummm. Now at 5429 counted in. 6523 counted out.
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Old 27th Oct 2009, 19:02
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# 5429 counted in so far
# 6525 counted out so far

"Date-stamped" 19:57 CET Oct 27

LOL, the restart went to nearly a 1:10 ratio, so they seem to be clinging to the old figures, now
I re-voted, and indeed they now use a confirmation e-mail.

It would be pathetic, if it wasn't near-criminal.

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Old 27th Oct 2009, 19:02
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What, exactly, do you mean by "what is agreed"?
I think my English is quite clear - exemplary in fact. What I mean by "what is agreed" is "what is agreed".

Incidentally, the Science Museum seems to have really lost it. Their website now appears to be adding the validated poll results to the corrupted poll! Not very good for the Museum's reputation for technical competence!

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Old 27th Oct 2009, 22:06
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Something really interesting is happening to the ‘Prove It’ poll. The scores were reset to zero at 17.15 GMT and email validation was introduced to protect the integrity of the poll. By 18.50 GMT the ins were at 6 and the outs were at 81. At about 18.53 GMT it appeared that the corrupted poll data were added back into the scores and the scores then read, ins at 5429 and outs at 6521. In the next 3 hours up to 21.53 GMT the ins increased by 6 votes (yes 6) to 5435 and the outs increased by 142 votes to 6663.

So between 17.15 and 18.50 outs were outvoting ins in the ratio of over 13:1. Between 18.53 and 21.53 the outs were outvoting the ins by over 23:1. Can anyone confirm the integrity of this polling rate?

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Old 27th Oct 2009, 22:19
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Another quick data point 23:14 CET Oct 27
# 5436 counted in so far
# 6675 counted out so far

Since 21:53 GMT = 22:53 CET, ins up by 1 and outs up by 12.

Afghan election in real-time.....

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Old 27th Oct 2009, 22:38
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Is democracy the right technology

It seems to me that getting the public to vote on whether human activity will have a disastrous effect on the planet is as pointless as getting them to vote on whether cockpit automation is having a disastrous effect on aviation safety.

The fact that there are huge numbers of us without any in-depth knowledge of the subject suggests to me that asking us could be a huge mistake.

Another big mistake has been the commercialisation of academic study. As a result, we now have too few independent experts, and too many experts with axes to grind. Whose opinion is to be trusted?

Perhaps the question to ask us all is whether anybody thinks the disasters we are being warned about would actually matter if they did happen? A democratic answer to that question would be useful input.
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Old 27th Oct 2009, 22:39
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Perhaps the voting system was designed by ZANU-PF?

outsourcing .. pfffft !
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Old 28th Oct 2009, 11:57
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Maunder Minimum

For Radeng and others who might believe that low sunspot activity means global cooling and that we have had low sunspot activity and cooling in the last decade, note:

1 1998 was an exceptionally hot year globally because of a strong El Nino event, and therefore is an unreliable baseline for comparison with subsequent years.

2 It's true we had no sunspots during the last 11 years.

3 But, sunspots are back, within the last few days.

Lots of references can be found on Google for all these, don't take my word for it.
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Old 28th Oct 2009, 12:39
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184 nations voted for Kyoto.

1 nation has not, yet.

Democracy?

"Democracy" is an excuse used by one country bomb others. That rogue nation will be very difficult to reform. Another corrupted poll won't do anything better for the world than the Florida or Kabul ones did.
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Old 28th Oct 2009, 12:58
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911slf,

Err, there have been sunspots during the last decade, just a decreasing amount since the last 11 year cycle maximum in 1999.

The problem is that the bottom of the cycle should have been reached in 2006 when the trend should have risen again. It didn't.

Informed comment is that the present observations may, and I stress may, indicate we may be entering another "maunder minimum" cycle which historically have lasted up to 30 years.

Livingston and Penn paper: “Sunspots may vanish by 2015″.
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Old 28th Oct 2009, 13:52
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Old 28th Oct 2009, 16:36
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WTF - it is now 765 versus 5226. They must have removed all the duff emails from the fluffy corner. The previous score was around 6950 for the people not taken in by all the propaganda.
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Old 28th Oct 2009, 17:05
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I think they ran out of fingers.
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Old 28th Oct 2009, 17:16
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18:06 CET Oct 28
# 767 counted in so far
# 5239 counted out so far
1:6.8

+2 versus 13 in 30 minutes
1:6.5 from too small a sample.

Still quite coherent with the early start of the original poll, before it all went t!ts-up.

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Old 28th Oct 2009, 17:26
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184 nations voted for Kyoto.

1 nation has not, yet.
Well someone had to stand up for the truth. It just happened to be us.

Guess what, we're still not going to ratify that POS. The first President that refused to sign off on that nonsense was Bill Clinton, the second time it was brought up, George W. Bush refused to sign off on the treaty.

No matter if President Obama signs the new nonsense in Copenhagen, it will still be up to Congress to ratify that garbage. All polls indicate that Congress will not ratify this thing. Even the Democrats can recognize a pig in a poke when they see one.
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Old 28th Oct 2009, 17:37
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It's all gone horribly wrong for the science museum poll. Not quite the result they expected. Just how long this massacre can go on remains to be seen. I imagine it will be pulled with mutterings of spamming or something. Has this made it into any of the papers yet?

If this was a boxing match it would have been stopped long ago.
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Old 28th Oct 2009, 17:54
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Between us.....

Apart from the ballot-box-stuffing episodes, there seemed to be a remarkably consistent 1:6 trend.

Now that may well reflect something totally different, such as the average IQ of people looking at the Science Museum website.
Or the IQ of the percentage of the total population reading newspapers (on or off web), or of people actually accessing blogs and forums (PPRuNe no doubt being only one of them discussing this).

Still, interesting.

One can but dream.

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Old 28th Oct 2009, 18:29
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From the museum.

During the first few days of the poll we noticed that some people were voting more than once - on both sides of the poll. We have now removed the duplicates. And to prevent this from happening in future we have introduced additional security measures. For more information see the Science Museum’s press pages.
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