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Old 25th Jun 2009, 19:41
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If Alaska or Hawaii were to be targeted, would that not require a NATO response under the Rome Treaty?
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Old 25th Jun 2009, 21:11
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I don't think that the Minutemen missiles need a NATO or Rome treaty to be launched. But then the launch codes are in the "football" and the "football" is simply "present".
 
Old 25th Jun 2009, 21:12
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Or, they target Alaska instead?
Or maybe even Kansas - question is, would anyone notice if they did?

Incidentally, they're not the only 'northern' state found to be harbouring nuclear weapons:

North Dakota Found To Be Harboring Nuclear Missiles | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Perhaps they could go head-to-head to see which 'North' is best??
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Old 25th Jun 2009, 21:18
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An interesting scenario

What if they do launch some firecracker and hit near or on Hawaii. A few B-52s from Diego Garcia head up that way, and on the way get a bit lost and overfly Iran. Then they get into some turbulence and lose their payload. Just a thought

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A few B-52s from Diego Garcia head up that way, and on the way get a bit lost
I'm staying well away from Blackbush until the crisis is over!
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Old 26th Jun 2009, 09:23
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Dushan quote... I don't think that the Minutemen missiles need a NATO or Rome treaty to be launched. But then the launch codes are in the "football" and the "football" is simply "present".
What's sad is that since the Minuteman llls have been de-MIRVed and now only contain 1 warhead each, we'll have to expend/launch upwards of a dozen instead of only 3 or 4 (as we could have in days past) in order to give them a proper thermonuclear pasting.

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Old 26th Jun 2009, 13:41
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park a couple of the ohio class guided missle subs off the coast, at the first sign of trouble 300 odd tomahawks should do the job
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Old 26th Jun 2009, 13:46
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It has a towed sonar array, with which a Chinese submarine collided ten days ago. Whether the array detected the submarine before the collision is not disclosed in the report.
My guess on this one is that it did and Chinese trying to get as close as possible but USN decided to let them know we see you.

On this basis assume that if it stops the North Korean vessel then assume a Chinese one is with a couple of mile.
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Old 26th Jun 2009, 13:53
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If their misguided nuke happened to land on Russian soil instead of the intended Alaskan target, I think the North Korean problem would 'go away' courtesy of our Russian Comrades.
Comrade Mao tried to piss off the Bear in 1960's with some skirmishes and after pulled back assummed everything would be ok, Russkis hammmered the Chinese area with artillery without stopping for a week or two and area resembled a moon scape plus moved thousands of troops up close to the border ready for an invasion. Mao decided not to tweek the Bear's tail again as he knew Russkis weren't playing.
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Old 26th Jun 2009, 17:26
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ZK-NSJ quote.. park a couple of the ohio class guided missle subs off the coast, at the first sign of trouble 300 odd tomahawks should do the job
The problem is the tomahawks on those Ohio class subs are only conventionally-tipped with 1000lb warheads, so that's only 150 tons of ordinance...not nearly enough for a country that's been on paranoid war footing for over 50 years, building bunkers, tunnels, and otherwise digging in. They could brush that off easily.

Hell, your average 1000-plane raid over Germany during WW2 dropped 10 times that amount.

No, for a nuke-wielding North Korea you must go for total annihilation, and this requires a healthy thermonuclear response well into the megatonnage range on a strategic, not tactical, level.

Now if they re-equipped those 300 tomahawks with W80s and dialed the yields up to the 150 kiloton range each, I agree with you since in total that would get you into the strategic repsonse range. Or you could still use Ohios as long as you're talking about two Trident 2-equipped ones.

Since the USAF will want to horn in on the action, it would also be a good chance to use some of the older ordinance in the Hedge stockpile, and I'm thinking a few B53 bunker busters that produced a nice 9-megaton yield dropped from B-52s in conjunction with some B-2s delivering some modern B61 Mod 11 ground penetrators. A kind of real-world, "Old vs. New" photo op and comparison-of-effectiveness opportunity.
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Old 26th Jun 2009, 19:21
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And the advantage of such a response would be.......................................................... .............................................
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No need to decommission weapons after the next round of talks with the Russkies.

Bonus.
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Old 26th Jun 2009, 19:33
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The problem is the tomahawks on those Ohio class subs are only conventionally-tipped with 1000lb warheads, so that's only 150 tons of ordinance...not nearly enough for a country that's been on paranoid war footing for over 50 years, building bunkers, tunnels, and otherwise digging in. They could brush that off easily.
They could but the thing to take out is the Energy structures. If it generates electricity of any kind then wipe it out.

True they have generators as back up but they would have limted life running flat out 24/7 and where appropriate go back and target them.

Comrade Kim might reconsider when he has no power for anything and a piece of string and 2 yogurt cartons is the only telephone.

May not as bad as that but you just nail the infrastructure and then call on the one phone working and have a chat...............especially when you tell him what the flowers are like outside where he is and he has 5 minutes before he dies.

North Korea could defend itself better than Iraq but I guess some of the North Korean command would be well aware of how life could be in the future by not following orders.
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Old 29th Jun 2009, 14:01
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Just in case

In case anyone had any doubts...

Air Force tests missile in launch from Calif coast
 
Old 29th Jun 2009, 14:31
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That's just a routine test.

They launch missiles off of the West Coast from Vandenburg towards the missile tracking facilities on the Marshall Islands. They launch those on the East Coast from Cape Canaveral towards the facilities on Ascension Island.

I watched a MIRV re-enter when there on R&R once. Quite pretty watching the re-entry warheads and decoys move around the sky before the vanished as they cooled and splashed down offshore.

I don't imanagine watching a MIRV re-enter is thing a lot of people have done...or would want to do.
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Old 30th Jun 2009, 05:54
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Or lived to talk about it



Okay, type about it.
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Old 30th Jun 2009, 06:00
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Long Thread for something that is obvously not a crisis. If it were then the ship would have been stopped and NK would recieve a few bombs on their missles.
What is all this jabber about?
Dont you trust your government to take care of Business?
Threaten America and they give you money.........makes sense to me.
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Old 30th Jun 2009, 07:42
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I don't imanagine watching a MIRV re-enter is thing a lot of people have done...or would want to do.
Who wouldn't want to see this?

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