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Help please; Persuasive Speech on Health and Safety

Old 9th Feb 2009, 15:33
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Applicable procedures are no problem but as mentioned, meetings for the sake of meetings are an utter waste of time and can even be counter productive in that folks then rush to catch up the time wasted. Having a safety meeting every morning where you've already discussed everything there is to be discussed, but are still compelled to have a get together where everyone shuffles about picking their noses and avoiding each others' eye for ten minutes in order to sign off on a sheet that some paper shuffler requires to justify his futile existence, is a total waste of time and man power.




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Old 9th Feb 2009, 15:47
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No Basil, all of these could have been prevented by COMMON SENSE and NOT "prevented by 'irritating' H&S procedures".

Are you telling me you have to be controlled because you don't have the intelligence to think "this could be dangerous", because that is what you are saying as by your own admission you freely put yourself in a dangerous position. Personally, I think you have the intelligence to excercise common sense so you should never be in that sort of position in the first case.

And H&S rules would never apply to you doing work on your own house (scaffold) as your own private work is not covered by legislation.
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Old 9th Feb 2009, 20:09
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How about the requirement to complete some forms before launching a SAR mission? There was a thread some time ago?
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Old 9th Feb 2009, 20:25
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H&S rules do not prevent you from doing gas or electrical work in your home. In fact, you can do all the gas install yourself but it should be tested by a CORGI registered engineer. You can do all the electrical work in your house, and have it tested by someone with the relevant qualifications. You see, H&S only covers companies and their employees, private individuals in their own homes are not under the rules of the Health and Safety at Work Act. The The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 is the law regarding installing gas and a private individual is NOT included in the regulations, only landlords/employers and employees/self-employed. The changes made by the Gov in 2005 state that if you do the electrical work in your own home it must be checked out by the local council building inspector.

So you see, the onus is on you to excercise sense and ensure what you are doing at home is "safe", and that isn't hard to do.
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Old 9th Feb 2009, 20:32
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checked out by the local council building inspector.
Only where building regs work takes place, otherwise an NICEIC registered Electrician with the relevant training/certificate can do it.
As an example one of the larger contractors round here employs about a dozen electricians for the installation work, but only two who can test & certify the work.
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Old 9th Feb 2009, 20:34
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Yes, H&S has gone too far (or, as has been suggested, maybe organisations' interpretation of legislation has gone too far). I have noticed a huge increase in H&S initiatives in recent years - I see it as being largely a result of us going the way of the US i.e. litigation-tastic.

Common sense and taking personal responsibility should cover everybody but the problem is that common sense isn't that common and is a rather woolly concept. No one seems to put their hands up and say "You know what? What I did was dumb, I wasn't looking where I was going." either.

I'm a great believer in natural selection - my concern is that all this over-the-top H&S will dilute the gene pool and allow numpties, who would have ordinarily been killed off for being stupid, to prevail. Only half of my tongue is in my cheek

Wow, that's better.

I'm not supposed to lean out of my flightdeck and wipe some crap of the windows now because it''s against working at height regs. Like I'm going to spend 20 minutes arranging a ladder or a lift to get me up there (with a high viz on, naturally). No, I'll spend 30 seconds doing is myself because it's pragmatic.

Anyone got any stats for how many people have come a cropper on the apron at big airports before high-viz jackets were made mandatory and where wearing one would have likely prevented the incident? I assume the H&S lobby must have done some research.

My other concern is that countless great achievements in history wouldn't be attempted now because of H&S concerns. There's a happy medium - at the moment, I think we're skewed too far towards the H&S side.

And I'm spent...

B&S
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Old 9th Feb 2009, 20:56
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Nope, West Lakes, it's "significant" electrical work (eg, partial rewire) and any work you do in an area covered by the Part P (bathrools, kitchens, outdoors, anywhere where there's water like a laundry room).

For minor works, unless it's in an area covered by Part P, you don't even have to have it tested
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Old 9th Feb 2009, 21:35
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Hellsbrink I was using KISS.

Though as was pointed out somewhere else in most cases now insurance companies are asking for full testing - nothing to do with H&S just liability!

And that is one of the major stumbling blocks to a lot of sensible H&S
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