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Old 20th Dec 2008, 14:19
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We Had An Issue...

Prompted by another thread, I looked up "issue", only because I'm one of the many who cannot abide the use of that word to mean "problem", by morons who cannot say "problem" or "difficulty".

There are 37 meanings of the word "issue", and not one of them is "problem".

Are you sitting comfortably?............................I've shortened the definitions; these are just the nouns;

1 The act of passing or flowing out; a
2 The act of sending out,
3 That which passes, flows, or is sent out
4Progeny;
5 Produce of the earth,
6 A discharge of flux, as of blood.
7 An artificial ulcer,
8 The final outcome or result;
9 A point in debate or controversy
10 In pleading, a single material point of law or fact22 the provision of something by issuing it (usually in quantity)
23
the act of issuing printed materials
24 n opening that permits escape or release;
25 some situation or event that is thought about; "he kept drifting off the topic"
26 an important question that is in dispute and must be settled
27
one of a series published periodically
28
the becoming visible;
29
the immediate descendants of a person;
30
a phenomenon that follows and is caused by some previous phenomenon;
31 the income arising from land or other property;
32 supplies (as food or clothing or ammunition) issued by the government
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 14:39
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Result!
Now explain how football fans (and officials) are disappointed unless they get a result . . .
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 14:56
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Especially as it is a game of two halfs and played on a level playing field .
These phrases are not unlike dress to impress : all shell and no substance.
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 15:16
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We'd better get out the beanbags and workshop this ...
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 15:59
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It just depends on whch dictionary you refer to. Websters online definition of "issue" includes "problem or difficulty" as an informal meaning - most languages are changing, living things, what's wrong with that?
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 16:04
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So when is
26 an important question that is in dispute and must be settled
not a problem? Sounds very like one to me.

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Old 20th Dec 2008, 19:10
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I think that's the issue we're talking about.
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 19:16
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Hum, I guess that some people have issues with people using issue concerning an issue about issues.

It doesn't make sense to me, but I don't to make an issue out of this issue.
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 19:23
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As was said many moons ago in a particular 'Cousins' TV show "go check your Funk & Wagnalls"


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Old 20th Dec 2008, 19:32
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I wonder, what would have been the outcome if Commander James Lovell (in Apollo 13) had said, Houston we have an issue?
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Old 20th Dec 2008, 19:46
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Office of the CIO - Project Management Framework, Glossary

It says here it is, although it does come under the heading of "Project Management Framework"!

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Old 20th Dec 2008, 21:46
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My employer decided that we would no longer have 'problems' - so we had to refer to them as 'concerns' . . .
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Old 21st Dec 2008, 10:26
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Well I guess if one had a problem serious enough to cause one to shite oneself that would come under the first definition of "issue", would it not?
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Old 21st Dec 2008, 12:03
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Beamish,

That would have been an apposite remark given #3, as the gas was passing or flowing out.
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Old 21st Dec 2008, 13:51
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I wonder, what would have been the outcome if Commander James Lovell (in Apollo 13) had said, Houston we have an issue?
In fact, Lovell would have been correct as they were "venting something into space".

Maybe he paused for thought in the seconds following the explosion, before he made his now famous transmission.

"Hmmm, is it an "issue" or a "problem"? I don't want to look like a ******** in front of the mission control boys. I reckon "problem" will sound cool when they make the film. Yeah, I'll go for "problem". No, wait! Maybe I should ask the other guys first...."
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Old 21st Dec 2008, 21:08
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9 A point in debate or controversy
Number 9 works for me. Some fritters with that, please,


What seems to be at issue here is whether to issue a fiat compelling us to eschew the use of "issue" to describe the essence of a difference in preference as an issue, an issue issue, a non-issue, or a no-no issue. N'est ce pas?
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Old 21st Dec 2008, 21:27
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I recently received an e-mail from one of our suppliers providing information for our staff. The e-mail asked me to cascade this information to them. I replied that, since I had yet to do a course in cascading, could I, in this instance, simply tell them. I have yet to receive a reply, proving, I suppose, that one should never take issue with one's suppliers, nor, more likely, behave like a smart-a$$
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Old 21st Dec 2008, 22:02
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How about this, then...

A problem is something that can be defined and is capable of solution. (prompting the response 'well, why don't you get on with it, then?')

An issue is something that has gone wrong but is nothing to do with me. We thus neatly avoid the blame culture.

An example from another discipline, if you will:
A train is never 'wrecked', it 'becomes derailed'. Wot me, guv? I never touched it.
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