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Old 14th Sep 2008, 06:32
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Do you fall into the profile: Air Accident Checklist (read before making posts here)

I have been reading Rumours & News over the past few days and now, on the verge of self-harm, have decided to put together some guidelines for the muppets among us.



And please don't post me any drivel about people just being concerned. You can use your neighbour's fence or the cashier at Tesco for that.

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Far too many posters seem to think that anything with the mention of "air" in it is therefore a candidate for posting in this "pilots" forum. Rehashed press releases or articles about airlines or airports should go in the appropriate forum where those with an inclination to become moist about these things can let everyone else know they are enthusiasts and explain how they think it should be done with their breathless nuggets of advice and insight.
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 02:43
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Hit. Head. Nail.

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Old 15th Sep 2008, 02:57
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totally agree

I totally agree, I've grown very tired of the inane & often VERY insensitive speculation that appears regularly, maybe time for a 'filter' process.
Meanwhile, I don't read the website so much, especially about incidents.
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 05:57
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Totally Agree!

When a large aircraft augers in and there is a massive loss of life then the incident should be posted here for informational purposes and then the thread locked.

No discussion, no debate.

Two years later it can then be unlocked when the final report is published.
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 06:25
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When a large aircraft augers in and there is a massive loss of life then the incident should be posted here for informational purposes and then the thread locked.
I disagree. I have learnt a huge amount from some of the very excellent posts that have been made on PPRuNe over many years regarding the "current" incident or accident. Just to post and lock the thread reduces the forum to a newswire service.

It is not the discussion that is wrong, it is the "inane & often VERY insensitive speculation" that drags a thread down.
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 07:59
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I have said it before many times but how I wish we could get PPRuNe back to being a forum for professional pilots and get rid of the deluge of uninformed rubbish that gets spouted nowadays.
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 08:03
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It is not the discussion that is wrong, it is the "inane & often VERY insensitive speculation" that drags a thread down.
I'm only a non-pilot SLF, but I endorse this. Some of the accident threads have provided the most interesting reading and the most illuminating insights into the way things work for pilots. But it has become increasingly difficult to find the time to wade through the threads to filter out the complete rubbish - even if some of it is so obviously complete rubbish that I can discern that unaided! - and find the golden nuggets from those posters who actually know what they're talking about.
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 08:35
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The voice of common sense.

Bloody good post Farrel

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Old 15th Sep 2008, 08:58
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what a warm and secure feeling it must give you all to be part of the self-righteous professional bus driver club club
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 09:27
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This reminds me of another thread I read a few years ago - why does it keep happening? It's been a dark weekend for Farrell - deepest sympathy for the self-harm.
I eagerly await the moderator's report.
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 09:30
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Don't forget the inevitable quabble about the number of fatalities, the baseless blaming and hailing the crew, the baseless blaming and hailing of the manufacturer/type and the repeated request for a "pro's only forum", whatever the hell that is.

The thing that makes me most uneasy is the apparent total disconnection from reality that so many people seem to have when they discuss these things in such a cold way.

Actually, are they mad or is it me?
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 09:38
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Tyro Picard, if I read you correctly, this one says it all:
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Far too many posters seem to think that anything with the mention of "air" in it is therefore a candidate for posting in this "pilots" forum. Rehashed press releases or articles about airlines or airports should go in the appropriate forum where those with an inclination to become moist about these things can let everyone else know they are enthusiasts and explain how they think it should be done with their breathless nuggets of advice and insight.
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 09:47
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Well, the mods will well and truly knock this thread on the head, unless, of course, Farrell is a mod!
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 09:59
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Well, the mods will well and truly knock this thread on the head, unless, of course, Farrell is a mod!
So you read the whole post then?

Nice summing up by Farrell, let's hope this thread doesn't deteriorate into exactly the sort of thing his checklist is aimed at.
 
Old 15th Sep 2008, 10:10
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Add a comments

1. Post self righteous, moaning complaints about journalists and the media for getting facts wrong and mis-understanding the airline industry.

2. Complain about journalist for being ambulance chasers/vultures/scum when they try to learn more the airline industry.


Seriously, the moderators should do more to delete unwelcome posts. But why are so many news posts (except accidents) moved out of the rumours and news section?
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 10:12
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But why are so many news posts (except accidents) moved out of the rumours and news section?

"Rehashed press releases or articles about airlines or airports should go in the appropriate forum..."
 
Old 15th Sep 2008, 10:30
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That checklist comes from another website sick of all the "i reckon it was" rubbish.

Bit cheap and underhand to put your own name on it.
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 11:58
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A bigger burden for the moderators, to be sure, but some standard replies to posters when their posts are removed, like the stickers that photo developers put on sub-standard pictures, might be educational. For example, the "out-of-focus" sticker:

Your posting has been removed because it contains expressions of condolences which is not the purpose of this forum. Please remove them before posting again.
or

Your posting includes criticism of the media reporting of this event and has been removed because the ability of the media to report such events is already known to be fallible and weak, and complaining about it is not the purpose of this forum. Please avoid superfluous comment about media reporting from future postings.
or

Your posting has been removed because it contains a reference to the number of fatalities in this event which is irrelevant to a discussion of its cause.
and the "under exposure" sticker:

Your posting shows a lack of understanding of commercial pilot practices/flight dynamics/aircraft construction/ATC procedures/approach charts which would leave you vulnerable to unpleasantness from more skilled/learned/experienced posters. Please use the internet to research the term [insert relevant term here] and ensure you thoroughly understand the concept before considering whether your intended post makes a positive contribution to the thread. Bear in mind that teaching the principles of flight is not the purpose of this forum.
Then there's the "poor framing" sticker:

Your posting includes the phrase "I don't have time to read all the postings so far, but..." or equivalent. Your posting has been removed as a result because you have not checked to see if the content of your post has already been covered and if you are duplicating postings by others who have taken the time to read the whole thread. Besides, we're all busy here, and claiming to be too busy to read what others have written makes you appear pompous and self-important while denigrating the contributions of other posters and may invite negative comment from them. Feel free to post again once you have read the complete thread and you are sure that your posting adds something to the discussion.
When they repost simply omitting their apology that they haven't the time to read the whole thread:

Your posting has been removed because it contains a question that has already been answered on this thread. Please read the whole thread and redraft your post accordingly before posting again.
You have stated as if it were a fact something that has not yet been determined to be such by any of the official investigatory bodies and consequently your post has been removed. Please re-draft it posing it as a question instead of a statement, or quoting your source(s).
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 12:07
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Old 15th Sep 2008, 12:27
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Rumor:
1. a story or statement in general circulation without confirmation or certainty as to facts
2. gossip; hearsay
3. a continuous, confused noise; clamor; din

rumor definition |Dictionary.com
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