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Old 10th Aug 2008, 14:36
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Standards !

When I was a lad, flying for the masses for holidays was quite a new event. When we went, once a year, usually to the new destination of Palma, people dressed for the occasion, dad in his flanels & blazer, mum in a nice new outfit, and people behaved correctly.

I fly weekly these days for work, and after this last trip's outbound leg felt it worth an oberservation or two.

Checking in at Humberside for a flight to Amsterdam, the check-in area was full of football / rugby shirts, women who loked like they'd just come in from doing the gardening, or the bin round, kids screaming around the place without a thought for the people they were climbing over or the seats they were jumping on, in a word, disgraceful.

Despite it being an early flight the bar airside was overflowing with people getting "tanked up" for the 2 hour flight.

Never mind, onto my KLM flight, for some peace and tranquility, in the company of some regular travellers. A crew were obviously re-positioning from HUY to AMS as the cabin crew sat in row 1, a captain in row 2, directly opposite me. Safety brief went on as said captian played with his i-phone, sending & receiving text messages throughout, despite the fact we were all closed up for the off. Whenever one of the DUTY crew walked past, he hid it behind his leg, very schoolboy like, only to pull it out and carry on playing when they had gone past. He therefore KNEW he was in the wrong, and didn't want to get caught.

Only once we had taxied out, and done the length of the runway backtrackig to the correct end did he put away his iphone. Naughty.

So, how can we criticise the chav masses for behaving badly, if the proffesional's flying them flout the rules ?

The country is in decline, bring back flanels & Blazers I say !
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Old 10th Aug 2008, 15:52
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Tezzer, you are more than right.

It seems that "middle" class Britain has gone to the dogs!!! Instead of them controlling their liquor there liquor seems to be controlling them!

DISCIPLINE is what is needed! I say we should bring back the cat o'nine tales, the rack, and maybe even public executions (definitely private ones). This should bring these dreggs back into order.

Whatever we do we must not send the convicts off to a far off land as they will probably make a better success that those that are left in old blighty.

Just remember: "Spare the rod and spoil the child!" or: "Remove discipline and respect from society and all else will decay!"
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Old 10th Aug 2008, 17:18
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Bring back the cane/slipper and a good clip around the ear. As for the kids.....
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Old 10th Aug 2008, 18:38
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Two hours to Amsterdam? (mmm maybe a Fk 50 going backwards) and weighed to capacity with drunks and naughty positioning air crew ...mind you..possible..

On reflection maybe its a fair comment why are the bars open so early?
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Old 10th Aug 2008, 19:44
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No, not my 40 minutes to AMS,followed by 10.30 to Mexico cityit was their 2 hours to the costa del booze !

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3 years of first flight out every Monday morning LHR to Linate. White wine with breakfast was the staple for many a well dressed Italian.
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Old 11th Aug 2008, 09:35
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The Aarhus - Copenhagen early morning flights always saw people drinking Gamel Dansk.

I can't say that I dress up for flying - white shirt, no tie, and trousers, not jeans. Much the same as for going to work, actually. And a Buck's Fizz or champagne or even the French cafe cognac is fine - just don't take too many. After all, the Victorian 'man about town' would apparently often have a pint tankard of champagne for breakfast. There's decadence for you. Many hotels on the continent serve some sort of sparkling wine for breakfast.
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Old 11th Aug 2008, 10:09
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Sparkling wine with brekkie absolutely fine.

Am of the ilk that when on holiday be on holiday if that means a beer at 6 a.m. in Luton departures then so be it, it makes me feel good.

As for the stag/hen buggers the industry encouraged it so they pay the penalty.

Take a step back and enjoy life, it is what it is for.
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Old 11th Aug 2008, 11:30
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So, how can we criticise the chav masses for behaving badly, if the proffesional's flying them flout the rules ?
Proffesional's do not fly aeroplanes, professionals do.

Standards indeed.
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Old 11th Aug 2008, 13:14
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Suggest you get of your high horse Conan, seens you are just the aggressive type who cks up these forums, designed not for smart arse coments but for the exchange of information, with the odd slight spelling mistake allowed if the poster is suffering terminal jetlag, and typing it at 2 in the morning.

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Old 11th Aug 2008, 13:17
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Is bad spelling really bad spelling, or actually bad typing? Followed by missing errors on reading the input? I suspect mostly the latter. Interestingly, I find it easier to proof read paper than a computer screen.
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Originally Posted by candoo View Post
Am of the ilk that when on holiday be on holiday if that means a beer at 6 a.m. in Luton departures then so be it, it makes me feel good.
Rather you than me. I like a beer with the best of them, but not for breakfast (unless of course it's merely the conclusion of the night before!).
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Beer for breakfast was common up until the early 1800s. Admittedly, it was 'small beer', about 1.5 to 2%.
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Sorry old boy, I don't do horses. Not even in the way that just popped into your head.

I am truly sorry to hear about your terminal jetlag, but then this clog popping business needs to have a cause, I suppose. Anyhow, as your 2 in the morning is fast approaching I won't pretend not to bore you any longer.

Toodle Pip.
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Actually no, 9 in the morning has just passed here, so have taken my breakfast, am suited and booted, and ready for a hard day's work improving the UK's balance of payments.
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"Checking at Humberside.............."

What did you expect?
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Old 12th Aug 2008, 00:53
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Yup, did some observing at the airport today.

Nicely dressed - pilots, flight attendants, business class pax.

Poorly dressed - pretty much everyone else. T-shirts, flip flops, running shoes, sandals, those hideous just below the knee shorts, baseball caps and about 50% chronically obese.
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When we went, once a year, usually to the new destination of Palma, people dressed for the occasion, dad in his flanels & blazer, mum in a nice new outfit, and people behaved correctly.

I fly weekly these days for work, and after this last trip's outbound leg felt it worth an oberservation or two.

Checking in at Humberside for a flight to Amsterdam, the check-in area was full of football / rugby shirts, women who loked like they'd just come in from doing the gardening, or the bin round, kids screaming around the place without a thought for the people they were climbing over or the seats they were jumping on, in a word, disgraceful.
This phenomenon is not just exclusive to aviation, think back to when you went into a shop 30 years ago, all the shop assistants were in suits and ties, the women in dresses. Fast forward thirty years, the shop assistants are wearing jeans, flip flops and most showing their under wear and thats just the blokes, don't even get me started on eye brow rings etc...

Standards across the full spectrum of society have declined, so I woud think it only natural that they decline in aviation also!

Probably part of the reason is cost, 30 years ago it cost $2000AUD to go from SYD-LHR-SYD, tickets can still be had for this price now!

Nicely dressed - pilots, flight attendants, business class pax.
Even there standards have dropped, no hats, pilot's without ties who can't even tuck their shirts in! Many business people in Jeans/Khakis, society has gone to the dogs...
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One is reminded of the story of the Editor of Punch magazine in the 1870s, who was accosted in his club by an irritated old gentleman saying 'Sir! Punch is nowhere near as good as it used to be'. The reply was 'No, sir, and it never has been!'
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My first flight was Luton to Venice {Euravia Constellation} in 1962 at the age of 17

In those days:-

1--People behaved better--Apart from a {pre-Thatcher} "sense of society" meaning people considered the feelings of others much more than they do today, they knew that bad behaviour meant the real risk of losing their job. That mattered then since it was unacceptable in many areas of employment to have been sacked---No other employer would take you on. Certainly not if you had a "decent" job--e.g. in banking, insurance, civil service and the like

2--People had less money--Most jobs had age related salaries--Those under 30 or so usually had very modest salaries. Therefore the annual holiday [taken out of a precious two weeks annual holiday entitlement] was really special and anyone spoiling it with the sort of behaviour we see all too frequently now would not be tolerated. A flight was a great adventure, most probably saved up for over most of the working year ! You were considered extremely fortunate to be going to e.g. Palma as referred to in an earlier posting --- Most people were going to Hastings or Skegness, or if somewhat more affluent maybe Bournemouth !

Therefore 45 years ago people had much less, needed to behave to keep in employment and were truly grateful for their 2 weeks in the sun.

Nowadays most of them "have it all" from day one and many of them appear to see no need to behave as others might wish. { Is this perhaps due to their having grown up in the 80's when being selfish and greedy seemed to many of us to be something being praised ?}

Just possibly these are one or two of the reasons why flying with the people of Britain today may not always be the most pleasant of experiences.
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