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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:18
  #101 (permalink)  
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If what you’ve described in your post #62 is really the problem,

My airline now is too little to qualify for its own private forum, but we need a means to communicate with each other from the company that does not have someone outside interjecting, or rude comments from some simmer in D&G. The rest of the board could be left as it is. But PPRuNe is not satisfying demand at the moment from:
pilots who need to converse with other pilots only
pilots from small airlines or organisations not qualifying for their own private area.

At the moment, I have no way of communicating with others in my company to ask procedures at certain places, discussing recommended fuel procedures, passing warnings about certain things other pilots in the company should know.

There’s a very simple solution. Set up your own Wiki. Cheap and very effective. Google "wiki" or check out one of the providers, e.g. pbwiki.
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:20
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Suggested alternative...

To make everyone (somewhat) more happy -
How about this...?
Airline Pilot "only" forum, as suggested initially, with selection as mentioned previously, to include pilots, flight engineers, ground ingeneers who work for an airline (FAA "A&P"), airline licensed dispatchers (all with airline ID), in essence anyone admitted to be present in a flight deck in airline operations.
Then permit only the above to write any thread in that forum, but preserve the right for anyone, from "wannabees" and enthusiasts to read the forum but block the ability for them to post a thread. This would preserve their right to have access to the educative value of airline crew discussions, comparative procedures or aircraft technical subjects.
I would also recommend that anyone's position required to be clearly and plainly disclosed, such as age, country, present position, aircraft type be visible in the margin, so we know "who" is writing "what"... Oftentimes, I do not know if I deal with a B-737 F/O or A-320 Captain...
I am certain this will be satifactory to anyone's opinion, and the guys/gals who are near to be qualified as airline pilots but yet do not meet the requirements will benefit on how active/retired pilots analyse a subject of discussion, without the clutter and bandwidth of "smart remarks".

Happy contrails
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:28
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What the !!

You MUST be a pilot of a jet airliner over 45 tons (100,000lbs), manufactured before 1983
The new owners idea pehaps

tipsy furball and another
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:30
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Who in the world would talk about planes and separate the paragraphs with "xxx" other than the famous B747skipper... We miss you over at the other place... but then again, we're not you. Glad to see you here though! Now if you stop writing here too, then that'll be a shame... They're still talking on that 747 landing thread you posted there many many months ago...

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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:32
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O.K. I'll "bang on" one more time just because danny asked again for someone to suggest how to create a closed forum.

Allow anyone in an already closed forum access to a new combined closed forum. The closed forums already cover loads of members. If there isn't one that applies to your employer or group then one could be set up (if there was enough demand) as the other closed forums have been.

Thats all I'm asking for.

All the existing forums would still be here. People can continue as before. Those that think there is a need to post something on a closed forum can and those who are against it can continue exactly as before.

I have not referred to anyone as a flight simer.

The reputation of PPRuNe amongst aircrew has suffered hugely over the last few years. I really appreciate the effort Danny and all the mods put into it but in my view there are areas that do need some fixing.

As said, whenever this topic comes up, it gets big support. It's clearly not just me that thinks this way.

Just one last time, all the existing forums would still be here for everyone to use.
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:32
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With no disrespect to anyone I think the replies after some of Danny's posts just proves that the guy's at the pointed end are no better, or worse, than us who occupy other post's in aviation, SLF, flightsimmer's or retired aviation employees (from all "seats").

Indeed the attitude coming across from some reminds me of the people who stated the Titantic was unsinkable.
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:38
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Danny et al., brilliant idea! Congratulations. You will get my 20 $ - or do you want it in Swiss Francs ;-)

One thing is not fair, I must say: There are plenty of very professional members of our branch below 45 tons. What do you do with the guys flying around regional aircraft, say an Embraer 190? Or all these ten tousands of turboprop guys above 10 tons like the Saabs, the Jetstreams and Dashes? You make again the same mistake like most of those chief pilots who think in tons rather than capabilities. I have a regional background, I know what the tough daily airline routine is. And they have a lot to tell in a professional pilots forum.

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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:41
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Danny you might have made it read only for the rest of us mere mortals. Incidentally it's not April the first is it?
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:43
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Do you accept Euros Danny?
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:44
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I'm not a pilot but support your decision to have a pilots only forum. I would have preferred it to have been "read only" for non pilots, but hey it's your forum.

The "manufactured before 1983" rule strikes me as strange. A380 pilots not allowed?

EDIT: Oh I see, it's the pilots that have to be manufactured before 1983, yes very good.
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:45
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The main reason I view Prune forums is to learn lessons from others problems and use them to try to elminate related probems in areas other than flying in my role as a safety consultant. While I can understand the professional pilots desire to be able to discuss items in pivate, in our new OPEN world I am not sure that this is the best thing for aviation. In terms of the reason for wanting to go private to eliminate the junk I am not convinced that some of the junk doesn't come from professional pilots
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:46
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Come on guys

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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:46
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The reputation of PPRuNe amongst aircrew has suffered hugely over the last few years
And this is based on?

As per Danny's previous post there has been "416,065 unique visitors" in the last 30 days. That does mean the actual membership numbers would be a lot higher than that.

If there isn't one that applies to your employer or group then one could be set up
And who is going to do that for them. You?
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:56
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You MUST be a pilot of a jet airliner over 45 tons (100,000lbs), manufactured before 1983 and hold a current and valid ATPL in order to gain access to this exclusive forum.
Voyeurs and hangers-on will not be invited so please don't request access as refusal can cause unintended offence.
Email a copy of your valid licence, current airline ID, a contact phone number and a $20 administration fee to [email protected]
Consideration will be made for retired airline pilots who can prove they have the type criteria stated above on their licence. They must provide a certified copy of last two months of their logbook.
Once the identity of the applicant can be matched up with their airline and aircraft type and their $20 non-refundable administration fee has been processed, they will receive the password for access to this exclusive forum.
Earlier I wrote here:

I've been a member for 7 years. I don't reckon I would be "eligible" for the above for another 15,20 years, if at all.
This is akin to slapping me in the face and telling me to piss off.
If it was a joke, it was a poor one.
Goodbye PPRuNe. I will not be logging in again.
Then I read:

Gosh! A few have cottoned on but the rest have been baited big time!
+1 baited

Incidently, this is the first time I've actually posted in R&N in years......

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Old 20th Nov 2007, 07:57
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Sorry but isn't it somewhat dangerous/irresponsible to be emailing license details and other private information to complete strangers?
What about the Airline pilots who fly aircraft below 45T or without jet engines attached are they now classed as not being a professional pilot??
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 08:04
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Very little point in doing this as all the crusty old clowns who want it and would post on it are on everybody's ignore list anyway.

There would be nothing to see........
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 08:12
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... can understand that u professionals look for a forum of u´r own. on the other side -as someone, who´s just extremely interested in aviation- i always appreciated very much the possibility to "talk" to cockpit-crew-members and get their view on certain topics.

hope, this forum doesn´t deteriorate to mere passenger and wannabe-expert gossip.
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 08:16
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Guys and girls - Danny needs every buck he can get to help keep the server running. It is worth every cent you pay. All the dross has gone and you can talk with proffessionals in there.
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 08:17
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This thread has proven that most posters don't actually bother reading through the thread before jumping in feet first.

Still, any thoughts on a separate (from R&N) OPEN forum for pax airline pilots?

Last edited by Mercenary Pilot; 20th Nov 2007 at 08:28. Reason: to many "the"'s
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Old 20th Nov 2007, 08:18
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Mercenary pilot: I join you in sniggering at the rest of them.
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