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Old 17th Aug 2007, 21:24
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Re the 2,000 police drafted in to deal with them, that's 2,000 less police to annoy the poor motorists for a while
Unless you work at West Drayton of course!
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 16:24
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Pilots call for climate meeting with LHR protesters to talk

It looks as if some of us have made an attempt to talk with and dicuss the "facts" of aviation and climate change.
'Aviation accounts for only 2 to 3 per cent of global carbon dioxide emissions, according to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. It will rise to only 6 % at its peak in 2050. In the UK, aviation accounts for just over 5%.
It is a minor polluter and the protestors are doing the environment a disservice by not targeting the real culprits.'
The Camp's main complaint, that aviation is the fastest growing source of carbon dioxide emissions is entirely false,
It is time to challenge the protestors' assertion that aviation is the most polluting form of travel.
The report Aviation and the Environment, shows, long distance high speed trains are more polluting,and the European Commission has said that EU-flagged ships are much bigger polluters than EU aircraft.
So why no protests in Southampton about the increasing number of cruises?
Do you think that any of the protesters could find the time to discuss this?
For more see
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6952542.stm
What are your views?
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 16:30
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With these protesters isn't it a case of "Don't confuse us with the facts - our minds are already made up"?

I feel there is something almost sinister about their actions and I would ask the question what is really behind all this?

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Old 18th Aug 2007, 16:34
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my views are that these are the usual mob of 'have-nots' and malcontents.
There is zero data or science to support their hatred of aviation. Even if you subscribe to the man-made-co2-climate-change theory then china, inda, shipping, electricity, road transport, domestic heating and many others are far more sensible sources of realisable greenhouse gas reductions.
My view is that by engaging with these people then it somehow gives their arguments legitimacy. My opinion is that a far better approach would be to rubish them, show them for the liars and criminals they are and let the rest of the productive population get on with keeping this country going.
Typical of these people that (to quote the BBC)
"But a camp spokesman said protesters were planning their direct action and would be unable to meet pilots this weekend.
Ben Healey said: "We're more than happy to discuss the science of climate change with anybody, but right now we're caught up planning for tomorrow's direct action. "
yeah right. obviously having a good scrap is more important than setting out an informed debate and actually pushing the message they are suposedly their to sort out.
My worry is that these self proclaimed planet savers will escalate their actions and crews and groundstaff will be constantly targeted in a similar manner to the animal rights mob on animal test workers.
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 16:37
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Aviation is this weeks 'vogue thing to complain about'. Next week it will be nuclear power or cars or chinese take-aways!

Let them have their rant and then get on with real life in the real world!

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Old 18th Aug 2007, 16:39
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From what I can see, this mob have become interconnected with groups like HACAN, and we all know their view of the airport, and the proposed expansion.

Heathrow is really high profile at the moment, as it was during the T5 planning discussions. . If and when R3 is built, the focus will go elsewhere.
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 20:02
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But we all know aviation doesn't contribute to pollution at all....
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 20:13
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Meeting? Talks? Have they run out of napalm then...?
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 20:19
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James Lovelock the one time doyen of the greens stated in a interview that one way of slowing down global warming would be to have the Airline industry use unrefined JET fuel as this would cause high altitude aerosol droplets that would reflect some of the Suns heat.
Mr Lovelock has fallen out of favour with the huggers of trees of late by also advocationg that we start constructing nuclear power stations as a matter of urgency.
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 20:21
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So how did they all get there, in their 4 by 4's? Maybe, just head a little up the M4 to see what the M25 at standstill on a Friday arvo must be doing to the environment....!!!
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 20:24
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I think opening up dialogue with these protesters would be like banging your head against a brick wall - they have already made up their mind! Despite what some environmentalists proclaim, the debate on climate change/global warming is very much open but the likes of Tony Juniper at Friends of the Earth just can't see this or don't want to see because they'll be out of a job!

I strongly suspect that many of the protesters at LHR are anti-capitalist, anti-establishment anarchists!
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 20:24
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It seems (R & N forum) that some flew in fron Canada
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 21:37
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I do my bit for climate control I eat COWS. Just finished off a very very nice beef dish. Thanks to me and my beef eating chums we are keeping the population of Farting cows down and also stopping them eating the green plants!!!

As for vegetarians I seem to remember that trees and green plants metabolise CO2 to O2. Therefore eating vegetarian meals is destroying the planet isn't it.

anyway that's about my 5 pence worth better stop now before I say something I regret....

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Old 18th Aug 2007, 21:58
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I suggest these green ambassadors go to China and chain themselves to the gates of the nearest coal fired power station.
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Old 18th Aug 2007, 23:48
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I'm all for protests and I was a fairly active myself way back in the late sixties and early seventies, as a student. Most of it was over education cuts and trying to charge us poor students more for less...

What I find amazing. Is that a fair number of these people have admitted (as shown on the news) to using the airline services to take their cheap holidays abroad each year. I do feel that a lot of them haven't a leg to stand on. The best form of protest , is to use services that you feel are doing the right thing.

Sure aviation contributes to the situation. As does all the other things mentioned. But what is needed is a change of lifestyle, and these people should be showing us by example. So far they haven't convinced me of that.

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