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Old 1st Sep 2011, 19:35
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Global Warming? - CO2 not to Blame?

A recent experiment at CERN in Geneva suggest that variations in the activity of the Sun may be the source of our current global warming trend. If this is the case, then current concerns over CO2 emissions are misplaced and investments in mitigation are unnecessary.


Long-anticipated results of the CLOUD experiment at CERN in Geneva appear in tomorrow’s issue of the journal Nature (25 August). The Director General of CERN stirred controversy last month, by saying that the CLOUD team’s report should be politically correct about climate change (see my 17 July post below). The implication was that they should on no account endorse the Danish heresy – Henrik Svensmark’s hypothesis that most of the global warming of the 20th Century can be explained by the reduction in cosmic rays due to livelier solar activity, resulting in less low cloud cover and warmer surface temperatures.

Willy-nilly the results speak for themselves, and it’s no wonder the Director General was fretful.
CERN experiment confirms cosmic ray action « Calder's Updates
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 20:46
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The Sun causes warming ?

Next thing you know they'll be claiming the Moon affects our tides !
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 20:52
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Saw a documentary on U.K. a few years ago in which a scientist had done deep core samples, and various other tests, and he reckoned that the changes the Earth is starting to go through are part of a naturally occuring cycle which takes 35,000 years to complete.
I am not a scientist, but do try to keep up with issues, and remember thinking at the time that what the guy was saying seemed perfectly plausible.
I have no doubt that we must be having some effect on our beatiful Earth, there are so many of us trying to in so many different ways, whether we mean to or not, but I'm afraid I remain 100% unconvinced by the present day Global Warming Tax-Them-Till-They-Squeak Brigade.
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 21:15
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Thought we already had a global warming thread.........
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 21:36
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Thought that's how the first charged particle detectors (Wilson cloud chamber) worked.

After an excellent landing etc...
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 21:38
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Does this mean I can breath out now????
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 23:22
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Yes, go ahead, just don't tell anybody.
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Old 1st Sep 2011, 23:25
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Pheeeeewwwww.... Thanks...
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Old 2nd Sep 2011, 00:11
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Does this mean I can breath out now????
Pheeeeewwwww.... Thanks..
Where do you live, we need to work out the tax on that pollution woops you've got your location, sorry
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Old 2nd Sep 2011, 03:57
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Don't you just love all these researchers?
Here in Oz they've been coming out of the woodwork scrambling for more grant money when somoeone discovered there were collectors of scuba equipment who had air samples stored in scuba tanks from as early as the 1950's. No doubt they will spend millions on much needed research over decades to give us... what? Data which other experts will disagree with or data which we already knew decades before?
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Old 2nd Sep 2011, 05:27
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This is why in 2009-2010 green commies, AGW brigades and
other morons kept screaming "must do something NOW!" and
"agree to Copenhagen NOW!" "action NOW" etc, because they
needed to begin initiating the redistribution of global wealth
before CERN's results were published.

CERN is a dirty four-letter acronym to these corrupt left-wing
dicks.
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Old 2nd Sep 2011, 22:24
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One of the reasons for my disbelief in the AGW scam was that I considered an ice age to be much more likely.

Seems it might be closer than I thought
Croat scientist warns that ice age could start in five years | Ice Age Now
How could a magnetic reversal trigger an ice age?

Shall we see a sudden insistence on everyone driving SUVs to counteract it? Or a total ban on all magnets in case they damage the Earth's magnetic field?

What do fellow pruners thing would scammers would want to control in order to avoid an ice age?
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Old 2nd Sep 2011, 22:30
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Perhaps we could prevent the Ice Age occurring by pouring millions of tons of Co2 and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.
Hmm, we could even introduce some kind of international tax to penalise countries that do not produce their fair share of Co2.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 03:50
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One of the reasons for my disbelief in the AGW scam was that I considered an ice age to be much more likely.
In the 1970's there were claims that we'd have an ice-age. Until proven otherwise, it's just fear-mongering. They're doing everything to justify their agenda.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 04:19
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Salt is bad for you. Causes high blood pressure and all sorts of things that could kill you. We use too much.

Salt is not the bogey man that has previously been believed. An increased intake makes no difference.

Eggs are bad for you. They contain high cholestoral and numerous pathogens.

3 to 5 eggs per week is good for you.

Chocolate is bad for you.

Chocolate is good for you.

Red wine in moderation can ward off a heart attack

Red wine is bad for you.

The climate change band wagon, whether frying or freezing, fits neatly into the foodie scares that appear with monotonous regularity in the media. There's some jumped up little twerp seeking to make use of their BSc and wants to get their name in lights.

A pox on the lot of them. Everything in moderation, whether it be eggs, chocolate, red wine, SUV driving, electricity generation or what have you.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 04:34
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Salt is not the bogey man that has previously been believed. An increased intake makes no difference.
Dunno where you read that Sise - Na is a proven fluid-retainer with
all the health risks, just as tar in ciggies causes cancer and all that
shit.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 06:34
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In the 1970's there were claims that we'd have an ice-age. Until proven otherwise, it's just fear-mongering. They're doing everything to justify their agenda.
As has been said the last hundred times this was brought up: The '70's cooling thing was raised by only a handful of scientists and widely criticised by all the others. That didn't stop the media from jumping on the bandwagon though.

So what it really demonstrates is that the media has always had a habit of getting science completely wrong.They managed it in the '70's and, seeing as we now have journalists without brains, they can manage it again today.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 06:57
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Thanks for the two interesting links. I guess that spells doom for my banana plants, tree ferns, cannas etc. I'll have to change to a tundra garden, moss, lichen and a few stunted firs!!

Simonpro. You mean scientist are always right!! I think most people with brains can see that the world is getting cooler, coolest summer in 18 years, a run of three severe winters, snow in parts of the world where it hasn't snowed for years etc etc. Only Big Al and his cronies believe the world is warming.

We're all doomed I tell yer, doomed.
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 07:28
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What do fellow pruners thing would scammers would want to control in order to avoid an ice age?
Gore-Tex is the new gold !
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Old 3rd Sep 2011, 07:59
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In the 1970's there were claims that we'd have an ice-age. Until proven otherwise, it's just fear-mongering. They're doing everything to justify their agenda.
As has been said the last hundred times this was brought up: The '70's cooling thing was raised by only a handful of scientists and widely criticised by all the others. That didn't stop the media from jumping on the bandwagon though.
Bit like CAGW then.
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